Kipsang said he might NOT go out with Kipchoge on sunday. Discuss.

What a coward. With that mindset he won't get the WR. lol

It'd be funny if Kipchoge goes out in 61:00 then fades to 62:00, but Kipsang goes out in 61:30 and comes home in 61:20 for the WR. But hey, that way Kipchoge would get his PR but not the WR, just like he's shooting for.

Sledge_hammer wrote:

What a coward. With that mindset he won't get the WR. lol

Spoken like a true keyboard warrior....

Salazar didn't go with DeCastella's surge at Rotterdam 83, because he knew they'd gone too hard and he'd come back to them, remember?

And he didn't go with the leaders in LA, because with the conditions they'd come back to him.

Bootsontheground wrote:

At the press conference today he stated he wants to negative split on sunday and hit halfway in 61:30-61:45. Whereas Kipchoge wants a first half in 61:00-61:15. Under this pace, Kipsang said he won't go out with the leaders. Also, there seem to be 6 pacemakers, 3 for Kipchoge's group and 3 for the second group ( Kipsang, Kuma, Kipruto, Tadese ).

Kipsang is a great marathon runner. I'd love to see him win it, and break the WR.

Observduher wrote:

Salazar didn't go with DeCastella's surge at Rotterdam 83, because he knew they'd gone too hard and he'd come back to them, remember?

And he didn't go with the leaders in LA, because with the conditions they'd come back to him.

Salazar and most other people didn't realize that Salazar was finished by that point. After his peak in '81 and '82 he never had another truly great performance.

I wish Bekele done that in London. It was obviously a stupid pace starting out in London. Bekele could of run faster then 2:08 but after half way he knew the pace was slowing and he lost all motivation to try. He could of run faster in the second half but he was just to depressed about it which is understandable when your the best runner in the world trying to get the wr. Going out in 61:00 in London with first 5k in 13:48 is crazy fast. Who knows, if there was a second pace group like Bekele wanted he might have gotten the wr that day by negative splitting. He certainly would have beat Kipchoge's 2:04. Evan if he didn't get the wr he would of run just under 1:02 for each half and finished in 2:03 mid maybe. He would have been running evanly paced and catched Kipchoge near the end. Kipchoge was slowing down at the end like everyone else.

Bootsontheground wrote:

At the press conference today he stated he wants to negative split on sunday and hit halfway in 61:30-61:45. Whereas Kipchoge wants a first half in 61:00-61:15. Under this pace, Kipsang said he won't go out with the leaders. Also, there seem to be 6 pacemakers, 3 for Kipchoge's group and 3 for the second group ( Kipsang, Kuma, Kipruto, Tadese ).

Why should he? He's likely not in world record shape. It would be suicide.

Observduher wrote:

Salazar didn't go with DeCastella's surge at Rotterdam 83, because he knew they'd gone too hard and he'd come back to them, remember?

And he didn't go with the leaders in LA, because with the conditions they'd come back to him.

^^^These are both false statements.

Alberto knew when they pulled away that he couldn't maintain and that he was through that day, zero chance of winning. They surged hard and he was toast. Lopes and DeCastella were NOT coming back to him.

Stuuuuuuuupid!!!!!

In LA? He couldn't go with the leaders, period. Easy to make excuses afterwards. Do you know how many leaders were ahead of Alberto in that pack when he dropped off?

Both of your claims about Alberto are 100% wrong. There's nothing to remember. Alberto did NOT say what you claimed after finishing both races.

Any idea how the Japanese runners plan on pacing themselves? I hope one can break 2:06, setting a clean WR in the process.

Bootsontheground wrote:

At the press conference today he stated he wants to negative split on sunday and hit halfway in 61:30-61:45. Whereas Kipchoge wants a first half in 61:00-61:15. Under this pace, Kipsang said he won't go out with the leaders. Also, there seem to be 6 pacemakers, 3 for Kipchoge's group and 3 for the second group ( Kipsang, Kuma, Kipruto, Tadese ).

If Kipchoge wants to aim for low 61 and Kipsang wants to aim for mid 61 and the pacemakers do their job well, I think it would just be tough for Kipsang to back off by such a small amount. We're talking 1-2 seconds per mile here. Maybe the takeaway is simply that Kipsang might not go with the leaders if he thinks they've gone out too fast.

Didn't this exact same issue happen last year or the year before? Then during the race everyone hit the halfway mark together and it was a lot slower than 61:15 or whatever Kipchoge said.

Observduher LIES wrote:

Observduher wrote:

Salazar didn't go with DeCastella's surge at Rotterdam 83, because he knew they'd gone too hard and he'd come back to them, remember?

And he didn't go with the leaders in LA, because with the conditions they'd come back to him.

^^^These are both false statements.

Alberto knew when they pulled away that he couldn't maintain and that he was through that day, zero chance of winning. They surged hard and he was toast. Lopes and DeCastella were NOT coming back to him.

Stuuuuuuuupid!!!!!

In LA? He couldn't go with the leaders, period. Easy to make excuses afterwards. Do you know how many leaders were ahead of Alberto in that pack when he dropped off?

Both of your claims about Alberto are 100% wrong. There's nothing to remember. Alberto did NOT say what you claimed after finishing both races.

Why didn't Salazar, who was so obsessed with running for years that he slogged through three or four miles daily with a wrecked body jump through hoops to somehow recover and win Comrades, THEN promptly retire? The 92 Trials or 96 Trials were never an option? NYC or Boston were not an option? Any given 10K other than one I saw him run in 1991 in Kansas City, of all places, was never an option?

asdgasfasfd wrote:

Maybe the takeaway is simply that Kipsang might not go with the leaders if he thinks they've gone out too fast.

That would be a first, and maybe it will actually work well. Worked well for Kimetto as he went through the first half in 61:45.

Kipchoge going out in 61:15 or possibly faster.. not sure if he thinks he can maintain, or if he's purposely trying to blow the field up, if not intimidate it all together at the press conference. But hey, we will see in two days!

Bootsontheground wrote:

At the press conference today he stated he wants to negative split on sunday and hit halfway in 61:30-61:45. Whereas Kipchoge wants a first half in 61:00-61:15. Under this pace, Kipsang said he won't go out with the leaders. Also, there seem to be 6 pacemakers, 3 for Kipchoge's group and 3 for the second group ( Kipsang, Kuma, Kipruto, Tadese ).

This could make things really exciting.

I don't know off the top of my head, but how much is the course turning vs long straights in the last 10k? Is it something where Kipsang can have his eye on Kipchoge from a quarter mile down, or with every turn around different streets he will be marginally closer and sneak attack?

UA Runner wrote:

asdgasfasfd wrote:

Maybe the takeaway is simply that Kipsang might not go with the leaders if he thinks they've gone out too fast.

That would be a first, and maybe it will actually work well. Worked well for Kimetto as he went through the first half in 61:45.

Kipchoge going out in 61:15 or possibly faster.. not sure if he thinks he can maintain, or if he's purposely trying to blow the field up, if not intimidate it all together at the press conference. But hey, we will see in two days!

Kimetto was great (duh) 2013-2014, and I believe negative splits are ideal, but the reason he got the record that day was because of Mutai's efforts from 30k to 38k. He surged when the pace makers dropped instead of waiting for a kick over the last couple miles ( what cost Kipchoge and Bekele the record in 2016). Somebody (maybe Kipsang?) needs to put the hammer down at 30k, or the record will run away from them yet again.

KAV wrote:

Sledge_hammer wrote:

What a coward. With that mindset he won't get the WR. lol

Spoken like a true keyboard warrior....

Yes, and most of these keyboard warriors could not even last one mile with Kipchoge in Berlin.

It's official! Today at the technical meeting it was established that Kipchoge will go out at 61:00 pace as the weather improved these last days. Kipsang confirmed he won't go out with Kipchoge and asked his pacers to go at 61:30 pace. The top japanese runners requested 63:00 pace and the others 64:00. It was also confirmed on the women's side that Dibaba will go out in 67:30 in an attempt to break the world record.

Perhaps age is catching up with Kipsang?