rekrunner wrote:
Such hostility to something posted 7 months ago.
Some basic history, which is race and doping neutral. Starting with 1981 World Cross Country, team results of 6 men teams:
1) Ethiopia
2) USA
3) Kenya
beating Spain, Australia, England, and 30 other countries.
Ethiopia's Mohamed Kedir placed 2nd between Craig Virgin and Fernando Mamede.
Ethiopia had 6 men in before England's #2.
In 1982, Ethiopia placed first in Seniors (6 men) and Juniors (1, 2, 4, 5), while Kenya was 4th in Seniors.
In 1983, Ethiopia placed first in Seniors (6 men) and Juniors (1, 2, 4, 6), while Kenya was 3rd in Seniors.
and so on...
To my knowledge, this predates all European coaches and managers, except Brother Colm, who was in Kenya, not Ethiopia.
The "systems" are still in place, but the money dried up on the track, and athletes have had to adapt their racing. Even if populations have doubled, there is a smaller supply of money to provide incentives for fast times on the track.
If you want to convince me how much times have declined, I'm prepared to see an analysis. If you want to convince me this decline is linked to EPO testing, it will have to be part of a larger comprehensive analysis acknowledging other potential factors that could have led to decline in performance, either separately or in conjunction.
If you just want to make conclusory claims lacking any real substance or knowledge, I will consider them personal faith and hypothesis.
If you show me any athlete found to have doped (substance or method) against anti-doping rules, I will not apologize for their doping.
I think it damages the sport to make sweeping accusations that might include many clean athletes, particularly when lacking any direct knowledge.
I find it unlikely that PEDs alone could have fueled such East African domination for 50 years, and all athletes from 5 continents would have idly let that happen.
Coevett wrote:
But times stopped improving once the EPO testing became better, and in fact largely declined, at trend that continued with the ABP and now with more stringent testing in Kenya. The population of Kenya was 35.07 million in 2004, today it's just under 50 million. Are these 'systems' not in place anymore?
The Kenyans did not dominate cross country from the early 1980s. The two greatest cross country runners of the 80's were Paul Kipcoech and John Ngugi. Kipcoech died in an El Doret hospital at age 32 from an 'illness' that had mysteriously forced him to retire in 85. Ngugi, who did dominate in the late 80's, refused to take an out-of-competition drug test in 1993 received a four-year suspension.
In short, you're a racist doping apologist rekrunner and full of $hi t.
Kenyan dominance has been built from peds from the start, from Kenio in 68 to the cross country 'domination' of the 80's and to Kiprop and today.