Kipyegon Bett Tests Positive for EPO

trollism wrote:

Bet you're not against doping when your favourite runners are caught for a while.

I don't know who you are, but I bet you make a thousand excuses for your dope fiend obsessions before you actually accept they're dirty cheats and you've been played for a fool....again.

Based on what? You would lose that bet in my case.

casual obsever wrote:

rtuyhetujteyu wrote:

+1

See Coevett?

This is how civilized people express their opinions.

Yes, we are against doping, we are against doping even if we find out our favorite runners are doping.

We still are against you racism, your insults, your violent posts, and, basically, against your demeanor on this site.

+2

-1000

This is getting idiotic!

sideline observer wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

+2

-1000

This is getting idiotic!

Of course, because Kenyans are testing positive right & left for rocket fuel! This is a promising youngster who's messing with the fuel. People can't handle the fact that top notch Kenyans are dabbling in EPO. They've been drinking the Kool-Aid and listening to Canova too much that all is well & good in Kenya. ?

Coevett wrote:

Last week when I posted that he had been provisionally suspended for 'refusing to submit a sample' I was accused of 'spreading fake news'. A few weeks ago I was mocked for claiming that Kyle Langford would have a good shot at Olympic Gold in Tokyo if Kenya get banned. Well he sure as hell should be given the World Championship bronze medal that he was cheated out of last year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-athletics-kenya/athletics-bett-latest-kenyan-athlete-to-test-positive-for-epo-idUSKCN1L91U2

Coevett, on one hand you provide a valuable service in terms of highlighting doping transgressions and giving context. Only issue I have is that you seem to imply these busts are evidence that ALL Kenyan athletes are, or have been dopers. This is akin to saying all individuals who have been born and raised within poor socio economic environments are criminals.

I’m pretty sure a significant percentage of Top level athletes within Kenya would be clean. Of course it’s impossible to say which ones with any certainty, - but personally I would be surprised if It transpired that Hellen Obiri, Vivian Cheryuiot, or Eliud Kipchoge we’re doping.

I do agree however that a higher Percentage of East African athletes would dope compared to their western Equivalents. - It’s simple economics that in a western context top level athletes aspire to be the best - but not out of economic necessity. Should they fail in their quest there are plenty of other options to make a reasonable living. - This isn’t the case in Kenya or Ethiopia, and as such athletes are presented with a “do or die” scenario. With this in mind it’s a natural flow on that a larger percentage of these athletes will dope. Let’s not forget that additionally Kenya and Ethiopia have by far and away the most distance runners currently active than the rest of the world combined, so we should reasonably expect the most doping cases to come from these two statistically regardless.

Another point of note is that this generation of African women are the first to have a support and developmental network totally woven around them as individuals. - Historically female athletes performed in spite of the local patriarchal expectations and social construct, which largely condemned them to lives of domesticity and lived in a supporting role to the husband. - So little wonder we are seeing a mini explosion of good female athletes from the Horn of Africa. The potential has always been there but the platform has not.

In conclusion, we have to believe that many outstanding performances are not enhanced. We live in a constant circle where we want to see excellence, but then immediately condemn it as cheating. This will only further discourage athletes from pushing the envelope. Imagine having a talent, developing it, dreaming big - only to be met by ridicule and incredulity if you break a record - why even bother?

casual obsever wrote:

trollism wrote:

Bet you're not against doping when your favourite runners are caught for a while.

I don't know who you are, but I bet you make a thousand excuses for your dope fiend obsessions before you actually accept they're dirty cheats and you've been played for a fool....again.

Based on what? You would lose that bet in my case.

Was I replying to you?

The guy had a random username, but clearly has 'experience' of the messageboard.

It's one of the apologists who hasn't quite got the full courage of their convictions.

So, therefore, all said and done, wind your neck in.

Rocket Fuel Madness wrote:

Of course, because Kenyans are testing positive right & left for rocket fuel! This is a promising youngster who's messing with the fuel. People can't handle the fact that top notch Kenyans are dabbling in EPO. They've been drinking the Kool-Aid and listening to Canova too much that all is well & good in Kenya. ?

Spot on, for many years I gave the Kenyans the benefit of the doubt, they run to school etc then you hear Kipsang lived next door to the school. When Rosa was arrested, that was the end, the show was up, his influence covers too much of Kenyan Athletics that he couldn't be disassociated from the sport as a whole and it has only gotten worse since: Sumgong, Jebet, Kiprop, Jepchumba now Bett and these are all elite and they cover events from 800m to the marathon. When we see athletes run 1:52 one year and 1:43 the next, this doesn't happen in reality folks, the same with unknowns coming from no track record (or even training) and run 3:31/32 or 12:57 in their first season of training, this is a complete joke, no, actually a fraud.

DMulvee wrote:

Kenya is an absolute joke for drugs at the moment. Previously I thought that it was the second and third tier athletes who were doing this, but it seems as though most of the athletes are involved.

It is getting more and more difficult to enjoy athletics at the top tier, strong action needs to be taken

You can always cheer for likely doper and letsrun hero Evan Jager.

Isn't it funny how Kenyan runners didn't start getting popped till they realized they couldn't beat the asthmatic and hypothyroidism crew from the northwest and scandanavia?

It is going to be hilarious if the potato planter gets busted. Nothing against him personally if he is clean , but you gotta admit , after all the trash talk on LR, that would take the cake for funny stuff.

That's corny!

Over the past years many people drinking the Kool-Aid said that they would also be surprised if Kiprop or Jeptoo were doping. Well...low & behold look what happened with these two. Look at Bett; I've had Kool-Aid drinkers tell me over the years that if any doping goes on in Kenya it's involving the older athletes, not the youngsters. Well...low & behold the 20 year old Bett is busted for EPO!

You have Kenyans at the very top busted for EPO, a very promising youngster busted for EPO, and a lower-tier run-of-the-mill marathoner busted...what does tell you about the doping problem in Kenya? ?

Drenched, absolutely DRENCHED in EPO. Laughing to the bank.

Well said Kyle :

https://twitter.com/KyleLangford_96/status/1033051984725716992

Renato Canova is a liar and a cheat

This is beyond sad. This is a tragedy.

Remove cheater Bett from the 2017 World results and you'll see Europeans go 1-2-3. So much for "natural" African dominance.

These Kenyan EPO busts are nothing short of delightful. Waiting patiently for the day the Ethiopians begin dropping like flies as well. LIFEFUEL.

Keep up the good fight.

RENATO THE EPO OVERLORD wrote:

Renato Canova is a liar and a cheat

Aren't you going to threaten his life again, mindweak? Your handle changes don't hide the fact that you wished a man be shot. Think about this:

You're asking for the DEATH of a man:

1)that you've never met

2) that you likely never will meet

3) in a sport that you're not even that committed to personally- and really not very good at, so I can't blame you for that

NativeSon wrote:

This is beyond sad. This is a tragedy.

For knowledgeable fans of the sport, it's actually fantastic news.

Cheats from countries that have been cheating for decades are now finally getting caught. It'll be tough to stop the cycle of cheating that goes on in these countries, because it'll be difficult to let go of the dominance, but hopefully they'll be able to manage.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Remove cheater Bett from the 2017 World results and you'll see Europeans go 1-2-3. So much for "natural" African dominance.

These Kenyan EPO busts are nothing short of delightful. Waiting patiently for the day the Ethiopians begin dropping like flies as well. LIFEFUEL.

You might be waiting a very long time because Ethiopians are not testing positive at all or they're clean & green unlike their neighbors to the South. IMO, I think it's a pretty good bett that the overwhelming majority of Ethiopians are clean.