Grape juice wrote:
You entire post reeks of one of those people who is full of excuses all the time. Learn to take accountibility for your mistakes.
gotta agree with this. at the end of the day, when someone is late for a shift, it means that someone else has to rearrange their day to cover for that person.
It doesn't matter if the reason for being late is legit or not. If you were the one who always had to cover for the person who was late, you would be pissed.
maybe I deserved it but want to vent wrote:
I worked a retail job. I was late for work yesterday (sunday) by 45 minutes. I was stuck in traffic on the freeway and had called ahead of time. I think there was an accident. I took pictures on my cell phone showing the time, location, the line of cars in front of me, and my speedometer at 0 etc. I had been in a town visiting my girlfriend 70 miles away and it usually takes about 70 minutes to get back from there to work. I gave myself 2 hours for the 70 minute trip so it's not like I was a slacker who didn't care. It ended up taking 2 hours and 45 minutes.
My friend said I should have just lied and called in sick when I saw that I was stuck. It would have been better than being late. Well, I may not be perfect but I'm not a liar.
I had been late 2 other times by about 5-6 minutes because of traffic from home and the ferry (even though I left with a huge cushion--and most of the time get there 30 minutes too early and have to browse around other stores) and had called ahead of time on those occasions as well, and the manager said " thanks for the heads up". There was no warning or indication that next time I was late I would be fired. Although I'm not sure I would have been able to predict being stuck on the freeway that long yesterday anyway.
I had expected a warning of some sort when I came in today, but was a bit surprised that I was fired for this. The form said I was repeatedly late for work and repeatedly late from my breaks. It made it sound like I was some slacker. I disputed the repeatedly late from breaks, and mentioned we often take breaks up front later than scheduled if we are busy so it might seem like it to the head manager who is mostly in the back. There was ONE time that I was ONE minute late from a break because I had been on the phone talking to my mom who had an operation.
I said I wished I had been at least warned about this possibility first. My friends later said on most jobs people usually get written up about being late first before something like this.
In a way, from their point of view, I get it doesn't really matter WHY I am late. The assistant manager essentially said I shouldn't be so far away on days I work. It's my responsibility. But I'm still a bit surprised this got me fired.
To be honest I wasn't really happy working there. I really liked the work itself. But, I just don't think I fit in there with some of the people, there was a lot of backstabbing politics. I'm a pretty friendly dude and at most places so far until this place, I'm well thought of as a good worker but at this place I think I just rubbed a couple people the wrong way right at the start and got in the dog house. I'm kind of thinking that is the real reason why I was canned. However, they assured me that it wasn't my performance on the job.
Not much I can do now, and I really just wanted to vent.
I hadn't been fired before. I really hope this doesn't damage my chances at future jobs. The manager said she doesn't tell future employers why a person no longer works there. She just refers them to HR who only mentions the work period and the pay.
I am not from USA and hearing such story is something unbelievable. Is this for real? This sounds like a true slavery or is this normal there in USA.
What does you shouldn't be so far away from job even means? During your free time you can do whatever you want and it's none of anyone's business. If you would regularly be late for work I would understand your employer but in this case it looks just idiotic.
I don't know what are the laws there in USA, but in Europe it would be illegal to fire you like that and you could sue your employer for good. In either way if I would feel that this is unjust to me I would bring this to social media just to kick back.
It might be more accurate to call the short-term recession in 1980 Volcker's recession:
"The NBER considers a very short recession to have occurred in 1980, followed by a short period of growth and then a deep recession. Unemployment remained relatively elevated in between recessions. The recession began as the Federal Reserve, under Paul Volcker, raised interest rates dramatically to fight the inflation of the 1970s. The early '80s are sometimes referred to as a "double-dip" or "W-shaped" recession.[34][61]"
qw wrote:
maybe I deserved it but want to vent wrote:
I worked a retail job. I was late for work yesterday (sunday) by 45 minutes. I was stuck in traffic on the freeway and had called ahead of time. I think there was an accident. I took pictures on my cell phone showing the time, location, the line of cars in front of me, and my speedometer at 0 etc. I had been in a town visiting my girlfriend 70 miles away and it usually takes about 70 minutes to get back from there to work. I gave myself 2 hours for the 70 minute trip so it's not like I was a slacker who didn't care. It ended up taking 2 hours and 45 minutes.
My friend said I should have just lied and called in sick when I saw that I was stuck. It would have been better than being late. Well, I may not be perfect but I'm not a liar.
I had been late 2 other times by about 5-6 minutes because of traffic from home and the ferry (even though I left with a huge cushion--and most of the time get there 30 minutes too early and have to browse around other stores) and had called ahead of time on those occasions as well, and the manager said " thanks for the heads up". There was no warning or indication that next time I was late I would be fired. Although I'm not sure I would have been able to predict being stuck on the freeway that long yesterday anyway.
I had expected a warning of some sort when I came in today, but was a bit surprised that I was fired for this. The form said I was repeatedly late for work and repeatedly late from my breaks. It made it sound like I was some slacker. I disputed the repeatedly late from breaks, and mentioned we often take breaks up front later than scheduled if we are busy so it might seem like it to the head manager who is mostly in the back. There was ONE time that I was ONE minute late from a break because I had been on the phone talking to my mom who had an operation.
I said I wished I had been at least warned about this possibility first. My friends later said on most jobs people usually get written up about being late first before something like this.
In a way, from their point of view, I get it doesn't really matter WHY I am late. The assistant manager essentially said I shouldn't be so far away on days I work. It's my responsibility. But I'm still a bit surprised this got me fired.
To be honest I wasn't really happy working there. I really liked the work itself. But, I just don't think I fit in there with some of the people, there was a lot of backstabbing politics. I'm a pretty friendly dude and at most places so far until this place, I'm well thought of as a good worker but at this place I think I just rubbed a couple people the wrong way right at the start and got in the dog house. I'm kind of thinking that is the real reason why I was canned. However, they assured me that it wasn't my performance on the job.
Not much I can do now, and I really just wanted to vent.
I hadn't been fired before. I really hope this doesn't damage my chances at future jobs. The manager said she doesn't tell future employers why a person no longer works there. She just refers them to HR who only mentions the work period and the pay.
I am not from USA and hearing such story is something unbelievable. Is this for real? This sounds like a true slavery or is this normal there in USA.
What does you shouldn't be so far away from job even means? During your free time you can do whatever you want and it's none of anyone's business. If you would regularly be late for work I would understand your employer but in this case it looks just idiotic.
I don't know what are the laws there in USA, but in Europe it would be illegal to fire you like that and you could sue your employer for good. In either way if I would feel that this is unjust to me I would bring this to social media just to kick back.
This was one side of the story and not both sides so there may be more to it than this. The too far away is more likely venting when the person made the excuse that they were late because of reasons X and Y.
As for laws in the US - unless an agreement says otherwise, an employee can quit whenever they want and an employer can fire an employee whenever they want (subject to certain protected situations such as because of their race, gender, etc.). Both sides have the right to choose the employment situations. Why should an employer have to keep an employee who does not fit with what the employer wants? Why should an employee have to keep working at a place that doesn't fit their goals? It's fair for both sides.
There are so many jobs now days. You will probably actually find something better. Thank the great economy.
I don't have any reason to doubt that the stated reason for termination was being tardy, but there's certainly more to the story.
For whatever reason, management likely didn't think the OP was an effective employee.
For what its worth, I have never been fired from a job (very successful professional now), but likely would have been had I delved into retail. My patience in working with the public is very low, and I tend to go right to an analytic perspective, hardly the way to be a calm and flexible presence in a retail environment.
Retail nevertheless is a good life experience, and the OP should learn from this. Paying attention to context is important at work. You should know the environment well.
more to the story wrote:
I don't have any reason to doubt that the stated reason for termination was being tardy, but there's certainly more to the story.
For whatever reason, management likely didn't think the OP was an effective employee.
For what its worth, I have never been fired from a job (very successful professional now), but likely would have been had I delved into retail. My patience in working with the public is very low, and I tend to go right to an analytic perspective, hardly the way to be a calm and flexible presence in a retail environment.
Retail nevertheless is a good life experience, and the OP should learn from this. Paying attention to context is important at work. You should know the environment well.
Well, I mention in my post that I wondered if I was being canned for something else. They assured me it wasn't. I had only worked there for 2 months and I can see from their perspective that they could view me as undependable in a short time. This is sad because people who know me, see me as very dependable and I make every effort to be on time at places and not be a flake. I felt like I made every effort to be on time at this job short of not being out of town on weekends. I guess I should accept the consequences that every once in a while a 70 minute drive down the freeway can be almost 3 hours on weekends, and I chose to take that chance to be with my girlfriend and possibly be late and giving myself 2 hours just wasn't enough. It tells them that my job wasn't actually my first priority.
However, a couple other workers had confided in me that this workplace has a "culture of negativity" and if you get in the doghouse you will never get out. So it's possible I am being terminated for something else besides being late that they couldn't really pin me on.
Another question: Do I put this job on my resume or not? I don't like being dishonest but as one article I just read about the subject put it: "You aren't trying to get into heaven, you are just trying to get a job."
The plus side of this is that I have more time to run, read this message board, and am considering moving up to the town where my girlfriend lives to get a job there. Also, I think I should go back to school and get something useful. I don't want to be relegated to retail forever.
Most managers are godawful.
Was this a chain? If so, then your manager likely has no clue how to run a business.
Most managers (i.e. the bad ones) jump at nearly any change to exert authority because they think that's what they are supposed to do. Firing someone is A+++ best way to do this. Sorry you got selected.
95% has nothing to do with your capability as an employee.
Oyster Crackers wrote:
Hire a lawyer if you can for a consultation, an hour or so. Not necessarily to sue or get severance but to lay out the legal situation for you, to go over any documents, and answer your questions. Clear up for yourself what happened in terms of the law and what your rights are (including unemployment while searching for another job) and then move on to your emotional and practical living issues. You will have other jobs during your life and will probably be laid off again so knowing what's going on legally is a good investment.
It is a retail job...
qw wrote:
maybe I deserved it but want to vent wrote:
I worked a retail job. I was late for work yesterday (sunday) by 45 minutes. I was stuck in traffic on the freeway and had called ahead of time. I think there was an accident. I took pictures on my cell phone showing the time, location, the line of cars in front of me, and my speedometer at 0 etc. I had been in a town visiting my girlfriend 70 miles away and it usually takes about 70 minutes to get back from there to work. I gave myself 2 hours for the 70 minute trip so it's not like I was a slacker who didn't care. It ended up taking 2 hours and 45 minutes.
My friend said I should have just lied and called in sick when I saw that I was stuck. It would have been better than being late. Well, I may not be perfect but I'm not a liar.
I had been late 2 other times by about 5-6 minutes because of traffic from home and the ferry (even though I left with a huge cushion--and most of the time get there 30 minutes too early and have to browse around other stores) and had called ahead of time on those occasions as well, and the manager said " thanks for the heads up". There was no warning or indication that next time I was late I would be fired. Although I'm not sure I would have been able to predict being stuck on the freeway that long yesterday anyway.
I had expected a warning of some sort when I came in today, but was a bit surprised that I was fired for this. The form said I was repeatedly late for work and repeatedly late from my breaks. It made it sound like I was some slacker. I disputed the repeatedly late from breaks, and mentioned we often take breaks up front later than scheduled if we are busy so it might seem like it to the head manager who is mostly in the back. There was ONE time that I was ONE minute late from a break because I had been on the phone talking to my mom who had an operation.
I said I wished I had been at least warned about this possibility first. My friends later said on most jobs people usually get written up about being late first before something like this.
In a way, from their point of view, I get it doesn't really matter WHY I am late. The assistant manager essentially said I shouldn't be so far away on days I work. It's my responsibility. But I'm still a bit surprised this got me fired.
To be honest I wasn't really happy working there. I really liked the work itself. But, I just don't think I fit in there with some of the people, there was a lot of backstabbing politics. I'm a pretty friendly dude and at most places so far until this place, I'm well thought of as a good worker but at this place I think I just rubbed a couple people the wrong way right at the start and got in the dog house. I'm kind of thinking that is the real reason why I was canned. However, they assured me that it wasn't my performance on the job.
Not much I can do now, and I really just wanted to vent.
I hadn't been fired before. I really hope this doesn't damage my chances at future jobs. The manager said she doesn't tell future employers why a person no longer works there. She just refers them to HR who only mentions the work period and the pay.
I am not from USA and hearing such story is something unbelievable. Is this for real? This sounds like a true slavery or is this normal there in USA.
What does you shouldn't be so far away from job even means? During your free time you can do whatever you want and it's none of anyone's business. If you would regularly be late for work I would understand your employer but in this case it looks just idiotic.
I don't know what are the laws there in USA, but in Europe it would be illegal to fire you like that and you could sue your employer for good. In either way if I would feel that this is unjust to me I would bring this to social media just to kick back.
In Europe it is nearly impossible to fire someone and that is one reason companies do not want to hire workers.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/268830/unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/(US is right around 4% now).
Luv2Run wrote:
Oyster Crackers wrote:
Hire a lawyer if you can for a consultation, an hour or so. Not necessarily to sue or get severance but to lay out the legal situation for you, to go over any documents, and answer your questions. Clear up for yourself what happened in terms of the law and what your rights are (including unemployment while searching for another job) and then move on to your emotional and practical living issues. You will have other jobs during your life and will probably be laid off again so knowing what's going on legally is a good investment.
It is a retail job...
You beat me to it. Nobody Sue's to keep a $10/hr job. We're at full employment, which means you'll get pretty much any other retail job you apply for immediately unless you're mentally ill or a convicted felon.
That’s not cause wrote:
Any boss can fire you without cause, but they then have to pay you severance in lieu of notice.
No employer has to pay you severance. If you're an at will employee then you can be fired at any time for any reason other than what is covered by protected class status e.g. race, religion, color. In most states, if you have unused paid vacation time, then they have to pay you out for that because that's considered earned compensation.
maybe I deserved it but want to vent wrote:
I worked a retail job. I was late for work yesterday (sunday) by 45 minutes. I was stuck in traffic on the freeway and had called ahead of time. I think there was an accident. I took pictures on my cell phone showing the time, location, the line of cars in front of me, and my speedometer at 0 etc. I had been in a town visiting my girlfriend 70 miles away and it usually takes about 70 minutes to get back from there to work. I gave myself 2 hours for the 70 minute trip so it's not like I was a slacker who didn't care. It ended up taking 2 hours and 45 minutes.
My friend said I should have just lied and called in sick when I saw that I was stuck. It would have been better than being late. Well, I may not be perfect but I'm not a liar.
I had been late 2 other times by about 5-6 minutes because of traffic from home and the ferry (even though I left with a huge cushion--and most of the time get there 30 minutes too early and have to browse around other stores) and had called ahead of time on those occasions as well, and the manager said " thanks for the heads up". There was no warning or indication that next time I was late I would be fired. Although I'm not sure I would have been able to predict being stuck on the freeway that long yesterday anyway.
I had expected a warning of some sort when I came in today, but was a bit surprised that I was fired for this. The form said I was repeatedly late for work and repeatedly late from my breaks. It made it sound like I was some slacker. I disputed the repeatedly late from breaks, and mentioned we often take breaks up front later than scheduled if we are busy so it might seem like it to the head manager who is mostly in the back. There was ONE time that I was ONE minute late from a break because I had been on the phone talking to my mom who had an operation.
I said I wished I had been at least warned about this possibility first. My friends later said on most jobs people usually get written up about being late first before something like this.
In a way, from their point of view, I get it doesn't really matter WHY I am late. The assistant manager essentially said I shouldn't be so far away on days I work. It's my responsibility. But I'm still a bit surprised this got me fired.
To be honest I wasn't really happy working there. I really liked the work itself. But, I just don't think I fit in there with some of the people, there was a lot of backstabbing politics. I'm a pretty friendly dude and at most places so far until this place, I'm well thought of as a good worker but at this place I think I just rubbed a couple people the wrong way right at the start and got in the dog house. I'm kind of thinking that is the real reason why I was canned. However, they assured me that it wasn't my performance on the job.
Not much I can do now, and I really just wanted to vent.
I hadn't been fired before. I really hope this doesn't damage my chances at future jobs. The manager said she doesn't tell future employers why a person no longer works there. She just refers them to HR who only mentions the work period and the pay.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're a millennial. Well, everyone says you millennials are coddled and make excuses for yourself. Indeed that is an appropriate characterisation and you've demonstrated that exact stereotype.
But I have hope for you. This kind of stuff just has to happen to you till you learn to toughen up, be accountable, realise life isn't always fair and learn how to roll with the punches and move on... and let your anger fuel you.
Welcome to the real world.
It's a bummer but tak advantage to get in the best shape of your life while you transition
Hello. I'm literally the employer of this chap. I'm sorry that our decision has been so hard on you. I understand your frustration and need to vent. This was not an easy decision for us either and we regret the outcome. We did value your service in us and we literally want you to have continued success with pasteurs new. Good luck in your future endevers.
Story 1
A former boss at a company I had worked at some years prior asked me to join him at a new (much bigger) firm running a team different from the team he was on. Critically, I wouldn't be reporting to my former boss (in hindsight, that's something I should have insisted on at the time). My reporting line boss was some due seconded from the London branch, and he was a raging a$$hole - at times I thought he might be mentally unhinged, an alcoholic, on drugs or possibly all three, but now I just think he was a raging a$$hole. I spoke to my former boss a few times, but because my reporting line was was technically of higher rank (and not a local hire), his hands were a bit tied at the time. I also spoke discretely to HR, but was told that it would take time to 'resolve the situation'. After 10 months, I got fed up and submitted my notice.
Four months after that, Raging A$$hole was sent back to London. Two weeks after that, my former boss called and asked if I'd be interested in a) coming back to work b) in the London office c) running the global team Raging A$$hole was now running. I told him I was.
About two months after that I arrived at the London office on a bright, sunny Monday morning. I sat and filled out paperwork for my secondment while in the room next door, Raging A$$hole was being fired. 30 minutes later I walked upstairs and took over his office and his team. I worked at that company in London for almost 10 years; my wife (whom I met during the initial 10 months) and I arrived in London as just the two of us, we came back last summer with two kids and a dog.
Story 2
> In Europe it is nearly impossible to fire someone
Indeed. And if you try, it can get pretty expensive. After almost 10 years at the company discussed above, I was headhunted to work at another company in London. My local team was fantastic, senior management at this branch was not. After I went to global HR to report numerous very serious major ethical and possibly criminal problems, the London branch tried to make me redundant. Here's the fun little part about that in London - you can try to make someone redundant, in general it means you can't really hire someone else for that role for a while (usually at least six months, maybe up to a year). You can't say 'oh, we fired that person due to cost-cutting' and then hire some one else the next day doing the same job.
Long-story short - HR tried to make my role redundant while trying to hire someone else to fill my role. Said person knew what was going on and told me. My lawyer had a field day and I walked away with six month's paid vacation and a package worth three years' expat package. When my wife and I moved back after the sordid episode, I paid cash for my house.
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nobodycares wrote:
Grape juice wrote:
You entire post reeks of one of those people who is full of excuses all the time. Learn to take accountibility for your mistakes.
gotta agree with this. at the end of the day, when someone is late for a shift, it means that someone else has to rearrange their day to cover for that person.
It doesn't matter if the reason for being late is legit or not. If you were the one who always had to cover for the person who was late, you would be pissed.
You are right. If he'd called in sick he wouldn't have been fired and his boss wouldn't have had to cover his shift.
Instead he was late, meaning his boss was short staffed for the start of his shift.
TUuurrtle wrote:
A lot of people are saying take the firing to build character. I say fight the firing to build character. Call the HR department, leverage how unfairly you were treated and fired without warning. Continue to ask for people’s bosses when they don’t help you.
When you get back in, graciously thank them after they’ve been drug through the mud by HR. Then QUIT and find a bettter job.
Way more satisfying
DRUG through the mud?
Jesus Christ.
maybe I deserved it but want to vent wrote:
more to the story wrote:
I don't have any reason to doubt that the stated reason for termination was being tardy, but there's certainly more to the story.
For whatever reason, management likely didn't think the OP was an effective employee.
For what its worth, I have never been fired from a job (very successful professional now), but likely would have been had I delved into retail. My patience in working with the public is very low, and I tend to go right to an analytic perspective, hardly the way to be a calm and flexible presence in a retail environment.
Retail nevertheless is a good life experience, and the OP should learn from this. Paying attention to context is important at work. You should know the environment well.
Well, I mention in my post that I wondered if I was being canned for something else. They assured me it wasn't. I had only worked there for 2 months and I can see from their perspective that they could view me as undependable in a short time. This is sad because people who know me, see me as very dependable and I make every effort to be on time at places and not be a flake. I felt like I made every effort to be on time at this job short of not being out of town on weekends. I guess I should accept the consequences that every once in a while a 70 minute drive down the freeway can be almost 3 hours on weekends, and I chose to take that chance to be with my girlfriend and possibly be late and giving myself 2 hours just wasn't enough. It tells them that my job wasn't actually my first priority.
However, a couple other workers had confided in me that this workplace has a "culture of negativity" and if you get in the doghouse you will never get out. So it's possible I am being terminated for something else besides being late that they couldn't really pin me on.
Another question: Do I put this job on my resume or not? I don't like being dishonest but as one article I just read about the subject put it: "You aren't trying to get into heaven, you are just trying to get a job."
The plus side of this is that I have more time to run, read this message board, and am considering moving up to the town where my girlfriend lives to get a job there. Also, I think I should go back to school and get something useful. I don't want to be relegated to retail forever.
Do you mean put it on or the reason you left.
Just say it was temporary job. After a few years just delete it nobody is going to check too far back unless it some extra security check.
Retail is hard work. Get an office job. More pay and you can go on letsrun all day in-between sending a few emails & calling it work like everyone on here!
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