More famous Ohio State Alum: Jesse Owens or Jack Nicklaus?

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5 years ago 08/13/2018 4:20am EDT

re: Neelo

What gets lost in the Jesse Owens story which of it hadn't happened would have made a great fiction story. Was the injury to Eulace Peacock,

Peacock had a winning record vs Owens in the 100 yards, and had also beat him in the long jump. Owens 26-8 WR stood for over 20 years. Peacock had a 26-3PR.

Peacock ran for Temple, and sustained an injury at the 36 Penn Relays which kept him out of our Olympic trials. If he's been there it's very realistic to see him "maybe" beating Owens in the 100m, winning a silver in the long jump and a gold on the relay. Which would have lessened the impact Owens made in Berlin.

Mack Robinson the older brother of baseball legend Jackie Ribinson took silver in the 200m. The USA could have ran....

Jesse Owens....Eulace Peacock(if healthy)...Mack Robinson...Ralph Metcalfe

The first great African American USA 4x1 team.

5 years ago 08/13/2018 5:42am EDT

re: Neelo

Definitely Owens.

I'm European and I know him and his story while I have absolutely no idea of who Nicklaus is.

5 years ago 08/13/2018 10:46am EDT

re: A European

A European wrote:
Definitely Owens.
I'm European and I know him and his story while I have absolutely no idea of who Nicklaus is.

You've never heard of Jack Nicklaus, the most dominant golfer of all-time?

5 years ago 08/13/2018 11:40am EDT

re: nolanpierce

nolanpierce wrote:
A European wrote:
Definitely Owens.
I'm European and I know him and his story while I have absolutely no idea of who Nicklaus is.
You've never heard of Jack Nicklaus, the most dominant golfer of all-time?

Can you name the most dominant cricket player of all-time? Bowler? Fisherman? Yachting?

This is one of the better questions and a toughie. No idea. Jesse had a movie made about him recently. I suspect school children at some point here about him. While others have won Olympic medals, Owens did it at a time and place that transcended sport. Nicklaus won a lot of golf tournaments. Heck Arnold Palmer might be more famous than Nicklaus.

5 years ago 08/13/2018 11:46am EDT

re: Whatley

Whatley wrote:
What gets lost in the Jesse Owens story which of it hadn't happened would have made a great fiction story. Was the injury to Eulace Peacock,
Peacock had a winning record vs Owens in the 100 yards, and had also beat him in the long jump. Owens 26-8 WR stood for over 20 years. Peacock had a 26-3PR.
Peacock ran for Temple, and sustained an injury at the 36 Penn Relays which kept him out of our Olympic trials. If he's been there it's very realistic to see him "maybe" beating Owens in the 100m, winning a silver in the long jump and a gold on the relay. Which would have lessened the impact Owens made in Berlin.
Mack Robinson the older brother of baseball legend Jackie Ribinson took silver in the 200m. The USA could have ran....
Jesse Owens....Eulace Peacock(if healthy)...Mack Robinson...Ralph Metcalfe
The first great African American USA 4x1 team.

It is a shame that Peacock was injured. Peacock had beaten Owens albeit, IIRC, it came in a race in which Owens was pretty worn out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/sports/olympics/eulace-peacock-forgotten-rival-of-jesse-owens.html

How about a twist on Owens? Instead of what was left out, what has been added that likely never happened?

There is no contemporary evidence that Lutz Long helped Jesse Owens in the LJ. The story never surfaced until the 60s.

Owens was the most watched person (outside of Hitler) at the Games and no reporter at the time reported Long approaching Owens as is depicted in movies or told in the legend. You would think that some reporter would have reported on it. I know Owens told the tale himself. I have no idea why. Maybe it is just like people "remembering" being at events that were never at. (My brother swears he was at a birthday party where a particularly funny family story took place. The problem was that he was deployed overseas at the time!)

5 years ago 08/13/2018 11:51am EDT

re: Whatley

Whatley wrote:
What gets lost in the Jesse Owens story which of it hadn't happened would have made a great fiction story. Was the injury to Eulace Peacock,
Peacock had a winning record vs Owens in the 100 yards, and had also beat him in the long jump. Owens 26-8 WR stood for over 20 years. Peacock had a 26-3PR.
Peacock ran for Temple, and sustained an injury at the 36 Penn Relays which kept him out of our Olympic trials. If he's been there it's very realistic to see him "maybe" beating Owens in the 100m, winning a silver in the long jump and a gold on the relay. Which would have lessened the impact Owens made in Berlin.
Mack Robinson the older brother of baseball legend Jackie Ribinson took silver in the 200m. The USA could have ran....
Jesse Owens....Eulace Peacock(if healthy)...Mack Robinson...Ralph Metcalfe
The first great African American USA 4x1 team.

This got me thinking. Let's say Owens gets silver in the 100 and walks away with "only" 3 golds. How much does that take away from his legend? Also had the US not removed the two Jews from the 4x100, Owens does not run it and get the 4th. (Owens was not originally scheduled to run the 4x100 final). So if he wins the 100, 200 and LJ is he still remembered as well?

I am leaning toward yes to the 2nd scenario and no in the case of the first. I think the 100 is the glamour event in track and field.

5 years ago 08/13/2018 12:15pm EDT

re: Neelo

Neelo wrote:
Tough question to answer. Thoughts?

Tougher question: Was Nicklaus a better sprinter than Owens was a golfer?

5 years ago 08/13/2018 1:25pm EDT

re: nexusleas

Nex, is JO the greatest sprinter of all time? JN is considered the greatest golfer of all time (for now anyway pending on how Tiger woods finishes out his career).

5 years ago 08/13/2018 1:30pm EDT

re: Awsi Dooger

Fah Sure Jesse Owens as he was used as a pro war propaganda piece.

Jess himself stated -- and this is a quote -- “Hitler didn’t snub me; it was our president who snubbed me. The president didn’t even send a telegram.”

5 years ago 08/13/2018 1:43pm EDT

re: A European

Golf is as European as is burning down their continent every few decades. Jack won 30% more major golf championships than anyone, including the aging Nike symbol who now still gets all the coverage.

Neil Armstrong, the Wright brothers, Bob Hope and several US presidents might be more well known outside the US than either fat Jack or Brothel Tiger.

5 years ago 08/13/2018 1:44pm EDT

re: Luv2Run

Luv2Run wrote:
Whatley wrote:
What gets lost in the Jesse Owens story which of it hadn't happened would have made a great fiction story. Was the injury to Eulace Peacock,
Peacock had a winning record vs Owens in the 100 yards, and had also beat him in the long jump. Owens 26-8 WR stood for over 20 years. Peacock had a 26-3PR.
Peacock ran for Temple, and sustained an injury at the 36 Penn Relays which kept him out of our Olympic trials. If he's been there it's very realistic to see him "maybe" beating Owens in the 100m, winning a silver in the long jump and a gold on the relay. Which would have lessened the impact Owens made in Berlin.
Mack Robinson the older brother of baseball legend Jackie Ribinson took silver in the 200m. The USA could have ran....
Jesse Owens....Eulace Peacock(if healthy)...Mack Robinson...Ralph Metcalfe
The first great African American USA 4x1 team.
It is a shame that Peacock was injured. Peacock had beaten Owens albeit, IIRC, it came in a race in which Owens was pretty worn out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/sports/olympics/eulace-peacock-forgotten-rival-of-jesse-owens.html
How about a twist on Owens? Instead of what was left out, what has been added that likely never happened?
There is no contemporary evidence that Lutz Long helped Jesse Owens in the LJ. The story never surfaced until the 60s.
Owens was the most watched person (outside of Hitler) at the Games and no reporter at the time reported Long approaching Owens as is depicted in movies or told in the legend. You would think that some reporter would have reported on it. I know Owens told the tale himself. I have no idea why. Maybe it is just like people "remembering" being at events that were never at. (My brother swears he was at a birthday party where a particularly funny family story took place. The problem was that he was deployed overseas at the time!)

Oh, yeah?

So how come the Long and Owens family got together after the war?

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2009/08/jesse_owens_lutz_long_families.html

This is more like the truth concerning Jesse Owens, he found out what real racism was when he returned to the USA.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205901/Forget-Hitler--America-snubbed-black-Olympian-Jesse-Owens.html

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