3hr-marathoner wrote:
Cain has always had good speed. She should start with 800m races and work her way back up to the 3000m.
If a 3:01 ate her lunch, breaking 2:20 would have been a challenge. The only difference would have been that she wouldn't have DNFed.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
3hr-marathoner wrote:
Cain has always had good speed. She should start with 800m races and work her way back up to the 3000m.
If a 3:01 ate her lunch, breaking 2:20 would have been a challenge. The only difference would have been that she wouldn't have DNFed.
Yes, she wouldn't have DNFed an 800m. That's my point.
Call it what you will. I have also spoken out against attacks against Alan Webb, Galen Rupp, Ryan Hall, Noah Droddy, and AJ Acosta. Fact is that it is not creepy at all. The creepy part is that most of you old men are too old to address the young 20-something athletes the way you do. And if you wont stop, nor will I.
800 dude wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
What pains me is that most naysayers here, who are generally middle-aged as i am, are attacking Cain as if they earned that privilege.
You're so creepy. You fixate on the supposed vulnerability of every female athlete. Mary Cain is a freaking adult and a professional. She doesn't need you to protect her.
This is a message board for track and field fans. There's nothing wrong with this thread. People would be saying the same thing about a 30-year old male athlete in a similar situation. Nobody is "attacking" her. They're questioning her comeback strategy. There are threads all the time questioning athletes for their decisions about which races to run.
This thread has quite possibly some of the dumbest things I've ever read on letsrun, and I've posted some pretty dumb things!
Right back at ya wrote:
Banana Bread wrote:
I think Cain is burned out like Denise Kimetto. She is still young and has her whole life ahead of her though. She should now focus on her grades and do well in school. Maybe she will find another sport. Running was not meant to be.
Same goes for Bekele and the ‘thon. He should just run his hotels already.
bekele has run the second fastest marathon of all time
She basically needs 8-12 weeks of intense overall fitness training before ever racing even a road race again. She needs to think like a boxer or MMA fighter and head to training champ. Looking at her physique compared to the other women in the 3K; it's obviously either all in or get out at this point.
Kills b wrote:
Jumping into track meets after two year hiatus just seems dumb. Wouldn't been easier just to do a relatively fast 5k road race or something here in the states to get the competive juices flowing again?
The problem is, that she's not running at all, and is not taking it seriously.
3hr-marathoner wrote:
Cain has always had good speed. She should start with 800m races and work her way back up to the 3000m.
Key word had... She got dropped, so fast in a 3k. I think she would have even more trouble keeping contact with the pack in an 800.
as for Cain's future, nobody has a crystal ball, but once you start dropping races it gets in your head. I think this just speaks to where her head is at. I predict if she drops or get destroyed the next couple of races, she'll be officially done.
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Call it what you will.
I have also spoken out against attacks against Alan Webb, Galen Rupp, Ryan Hall, Noah Droddy, and AJ Acosta.
Fact is that it is not creepy at all.
The creepy part is that most of you old men are too old to address the young 20-something athletes the way you do.
And if you wont stop, nor will I.
800 dude wrote:
First off, unfortunately when one experiences success that Mary has there are going to be people critical of what she does. Whether she likes it or not it just comes with the territory. That being said, I don't think Mary is being unfairly judged or criticized. She wasn't complaining when she was on top of the running world with everyone praising how great she was and was going to be. Signing a contract with Nike and NOP, hiring Alberto to be her coach and moving to Oregon. Life was all good. Both Mary and her parents were riding the wave of success. Now things have drastically changed and it's clear that Mary is struggling and searching for what makes her happy. On the running side, I don't agree with throwing her into a quality international race overseas without being properly prepared. She had ZERO confidence going in and is even worse off now. Whomever advised her to do this clearly didn't know what they're doing.
SOLUTION: Building a strong base with easy running, drills, and core work through summer (8 weeks), then transition into the fall by adding long intervals on grass (2000m/Mile) reps and slowly incorporating shorter intervals (1000m/800m) reps on grass (Sept/Oct/Nov). She can jump into some low key cross country races during this time. Back down a bit the month of December to recover from the previous 4 months (enjoy the holidays) and ramp back up during January. If she's healthy and feeling good SLOWLY incorporate some indoor track work while still maintaining overall endurance and base. She can then jump into a few indoor races in February/March to introduce some speed while at the same time begin to set up for the outdoor track season. Provided that she stays healthy she will CRUSH the outdoor season. Compete in domestic meets only to build confidence and get race ready. Run only in a handful of races until end of August and then shut down with easy running and recovery the month of September. Rinse and Repeat..............
You're so creepy. You fixate on the supposed vulnerability of every female athlete. Mary Cain is a freaking adult and a professional. She doesn't need you to protect her.
This is a message board for track and field fans. There's nothing wrong with this thread. People would be saying the same thing about a 30-year old male athlete in a similar situation. Nobody is "attacking" her. They're questioning her comeback strategy. There are threads all the time questioning athletes for their decisions about which races to run.
Cain’s answer wrote:
Because when I drop out of a track race, the furthest I am from the exit is 200 meters. When I drop out of a road race, I could be a few miles away and then what would I do?
Jog back to the start.
You are not stranded up a mountain.
Perhaps her coach is neglecting speed training. Mary Cain needs her fast twitch speed first and foremost and then should work on endurance. She was an 8/15 type anyways. You don't need that much endurance but you sure as hell need speed for those events. Too much easy running long and slow and not any speed work will hurt any runner.
Runner3000 wrote:
3hr-marathoner wrote:
Cain has always had good speed. She should start with 800m races and work her way back up to the 3000m.
Key word had... She got dropped, so fast in a 3k. I think she would have even more trouble keeping contact with the pack in an 800.
as for Cain's future, nobody has a crystal ball, but once you start dropping races it gets in your head. I think this just speaks to where her head is at. I predict if she drops or get destroyed the next couple of races, she'll be officially done.
It's a lot easier to drop out of a 3k 1k in than drop out of an 800m. Considering she has serious speed, I don't know why she didn't do an 800. Yeah, you might lose contact with the pack after a while, but it would have been better for Cain to go out the first 400m with the pack and just try to hang on.
Cain was never really a big 3k runner. Now she did win gold at world juniors at 3k, but that was a tactical 8:58 race and the east africans didn't really seem to be bringing a lot in 2014. She just simply used her 1500m speed and kicked home. She's ran an altitude converted 4:01 1500 indoors, but her 5k PR is only 15:45 (granite she didn't run it that often).
I hope she's able to do some 800's and 1500's this summer, but hoping in a moderately fast 3k is not the best thing mentally or physically if it's your first race back and you're an 800/1500 runner. I don't think she expected the 3k to go this fast. A lot of the girls in the field had solid PB's. Sisson was really pushing the pace. Maybe she thought it would be an 8:55 race with the back of the pack coming in at 9:05 and she could come through in 9:10 for a solid season opener. 9:10 would have been solid.
Kills b wrote:
Jumping into track meets after two year hiatus just seems dumb. Wouldn't been easier just to do a relatively fast 5k road race or something here in the states to get the competive juices flowing again?
"talent never goes away" Well if you talent is incredible work ethic with a blind devotion to please mixed with a prepubescent strength to weight ratio of a male ..... then yes talent does go away. .....
It's good to know that Stoppit Smith is still a moran.
M.A.G.A...