Mizuno fanboy wrote:
There have been changes in the route, so the splits mean what they mean. A marathon, it is not.
LOL . . . The split points for the CR course are identical for this year's race. Are you implying that the CR is meaningless that Walmsley intends to break, because Walmsley will set a new CR because the course is different?
Walmsley is 14 minutes ahead of CR pace. He is also 14 minutes ahead of D'Haene. Therefore D'Haene is on CR pace. I think D'Haene is the smart one here- running exactly CR pace, and then if things work out he will cruch it at the end. Time will tell, but I like the Frenchman in this one!
CR Splits
Location: Distance
- Race time -- Split time -- Split distance -- Split pace -- Split speed
Lyon Ridge: 10.5 miles
- 01:39:00 -- +01:39:00 -- +10.5 miles -- 9:25 min/mile -- 6.4 mph
Red Star Ridge: 16.0 miles
- 02:28:00 -- +00:49:00 +5.5 miles -- 8:51 min/mile -- 6.8 mph
Duncan Canyon: 23.8 miles
- 03:31:00 -- +01:03:00 +7.8 miles -- 8:06 min/mile -- 7.4 mph
Robinson Flat: 29.7 miles
- 04:30:00 -- +00:59:00 +5.9 miles -- 9:59 min/mile -- 6.0 mph
Miller's Defeat: 35.3 miles
- 05:09:00 -- +00:39:00 +5.6 miles -- 6:58 min/mile -- 8.6 mph
Dusty Corners: 38.0 miles
- 05:39:00 -- +00:30:00 +2.7 miles -- 10:58 min/mile -- 5.5 mph
Last Chance: 43.3 miles
- 06:17:00 -- +00:38:00 +5.3 miles -- 7:11 min/mile -- 8.3 mph
Devils Thumb: 47.8 miles
- 07:06:00 -- +00:49:00 +4.5 miles -- 10:57 min/mile -- 5.5 mph
El Dorado Creek: 52.9 miles
- 07:46:00 -- +00:40:00 +5.1 miles -- 7:51 min/mile -- 7.6 mph
Michigan Bluff: 55.7 miles
- 08:23:55 -- +00:37:55 +2.8 miles -- 13:33 min/mile -- 4.4 mph
Foresthill School: 62.0 miles
- 09:18:00 -- +00:54:05 +6.3 miles -- 8:31 min/mile -- 7.0 mph
Peachstone (Cal 2): 70.7 miles
- 10:30:00 -- +01:12:00 +8.7 miles -- 8:16 min/mile -- 7.2 mph
Rucky Chucky (near): 78.0 miles
- 11:32:00 -- +01:02:00 +7.3 miles -- 8:31 min/mile -- 7.0 mph
Green Gate: 79.8 miles
- 11:49:00 -- +00:17:00 +1.8 miles -- 9:26 min/mile -- 6.4 mph
Auburn Lake Trails: 85.2 miles
- 12:35:00 -- +00:46:00 +5.4 miles -- 8:30 min/mile -- 7.1 mph
Brown's Bar: 89.9 miles
- 13:14:00 -- +00:39:00 +4.7 miles -- 8:15 min/mile -- 7.3 mph
Highway 49: 93.5 miles
- 13:48:00 -- +00:34:00 +3.6 miles -- 9:26 min/mile -- 6.4 mph
No Hands Bridge: 96.8 miles
- 14:14:00 -- +00:26:00 +3.3 miles -- 7:53 min/mile -- 7.6 mph
Robie Point: 98.9 miles
- 14:35:00 -- +00:21:00 +2.1 miles -- 9:56 min/mile -- 6.0 mph
Auburn Finish Line: 100.2 miles
- 14:46:44 -- +00:11:44 +1.3 miles -- 8:59 min/mile -- 6.7 mph
Just found this via Twitter. Very nice reference:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wwSsthDVWa7EUx2JyYYuqQG4y55xB3frok6UJrLoEW0/edit#gid=0
Raul Runyan wrote:
Walmsley is 14 minutes ahead of CR pace. He is also 14 minutes ahead of D'Haene. Therefore D'Haene is on CR pace. I think D'Haene is the smart one here- running exactly CR pace, and then if things work out he will cruch it at the end. Time will tell, but I like the Frenchman in this one!
Walmsley was 16 minutes ahead of D'Haene through Dusty Corners. D'Haene ran two-minutes faster than Walmsley between Dusty Corners and Last Chance.
Splits wrote:
Mizuno fanboy wrote:
There have been changes in the route, so the splits mean what they mean. A marathon, it is not.
LOL . . . The split points for the CR course are identical for this year's race. Are you implying that the CR is meaningless that Walmsley intends to break, because Walmsley will set a new CR because the course is different?
No, what I'm saying is that the way to get to those checkpoints isn't the exact same Olson took, there have been course changes, so a couple of minutes given or taken between checkpoints, relative to CR, don't mean Jim is speeding up or slowing down.
If he takes the CR, it will be every bit as meaningful or meaningless as any other outdoor race. A CR is a CR.
Was 16 minutes wrote:
Raul Runyan wrote:
Walmsley is 14 minutes ahead of CR pace. He is also 14 minutes ahead of D'Haene. Therefore D'Haene is on CR pace. I think D'Haene is the smart one here- running exactly CR pace, and then if things work out he will cruch it at the end. Time will tell, but I like the Frenchman in this one!
Walmsley was 16 minutes ahead of D'Haene through Dusty Corners. D'Haene ran two-minutes faster than Walmsley between Dusty Corners and Last Chance.
For all we know, Jim stopped to change shoes.
cr pace wrote:
Stroll in the park wrote:
You should be paying attention to the distance between Walmsley and 2nd, not cr record splits.
Meanwhile you are paying attention of overall mile pace rather than splits. You have no clue what you are talking about if you think splits do not matter in a trail race. Distance and time gaps are not worth much because you have to take elevation gain and loss between two runners into consideration.
The same course can run radically different from year to year also.
Runners also attack the hills and flats differently.
You can use splits as a rough guide, but to say somebody is running a poor race because of a certain split is foolish.
Mizuno fanboy wrote:
Was 16 minutes wrote:
Walmsley was 16 minutes ahead of D'Haene through Dusty Corners. D'Haene ran two-minutes faster than Walmsley between Dusty Corners and Last Chance.
For all we know, Jim stopped to change shoes.
Two minutes to change shoes is a long time. For all we know Walmsley was forced to walk part of that distance,
Stroll in the park wrote:
cr pace wrote:
Meanwhile you are paying attention of overall mile pace rather than splits. You have no clue what you are talking about if you think splits do not matter in a trail race. Distance and time gaps are not worth much because you have to take elevation gain and loss between two runners into consideration.
The same course can run radically different from year to year also.
Runners also attack the hills and flats differently.
You can use splits as a rough guide, but to say somebody is running a poor race because of a certain split is foolish.
Sure. Last year Walmsley DNF'ed after lying down and falling asleep on the trail due to fatigue. After he woke he decided to quit the race.
Last year Walmsley dropped because he was puking his guts out, again and again, and for 12 hours after he DNFd.
And no, 2 minutes isn't too long to change socks, shoes, get some gels, full bottles, etc. It's not an F1 pitstop.
Raul Runyan wrote:
Walmsley is 14 minutes ahead of CR pace. He is also 14 minutes ahead of D'Haene. Therefore D'Haene is on CR pace. I think D'Haene is the smart one here- running exactly CR pace, and then if things work out he will cruch it at the end. Time will tell, but I like the Frenchman in this one!
Dhaene is running a smart race, but maybe Walmsley is too.
The question is who's maintaining their energy supplies best, and who's going to survive the best in the heat.
Mizuno fanboy wrote:
Last year Walmsley dropped because he was puking his guts out, again and again, and for 12 hours after he DNFd.
And no, 2 minutes isn't too long to change socks, shoes, get some gels, full bottles, etc. It's not an F1 pitstop.
Oh, it went from changing shoes to an epic multi-task pit stop.
Pace so far wrote:
Raul Runyan wrote:
Walmsley is 14 minutes ahead of CR pace. He is also 14 minutes ahead of D'Haene. Therefore D'Haene is on CR pace. I think D'Haene is the smart one here- running exactly CR pace, and then if things work out he will cruch it at the end. Time will tell, but I like the Frenchman in this one!
Dhaene is running a smart race, but maybe Walmsley is too.
The question is who's maintaining their energy supplies best, and who's going to survive the best in the heat.
Agreed. D'Haene is coming into the next station. Let see if he is maintaining the 14 minute gap to Walmsley.
BTW, there is no way D'Haene knows to maintain a gap like that on a trail run. He is running his own race.
courtesy @irunfar: Frenchman François D'haene is second to Devil's Thumb (+14'). He looks great. He stayed 1 minute in aid and departed. Note, first-place, Jim Walmsley, stayed 3 minutes. #WS100
icantrunfar wrote:
courtesy @irunfar: Frenchman François D'haene is second to Devil's Thumb (+14'). He looks great. He stayed 1 minute in aid and departed. Note, first-place, Jim Walmsley, stayed 3 minutes. #WS100
I wonder if that is part of Walmsley's plan. Running the course as a series of intervals rather than at a more steady pace with short stops.
If it comes to the last 10 miles Walmsley will unleash a hell of a finishing kick and dust the Frenchman... if he’s caught before the last 10, Walmsley is done...
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If it comes to the last 10 miles Walmsley will unleash a hell of a finishing kick and dust the Frenchman... if he’s caught before the last 10, Walmsley is done...
The only way Walmsley could dust someone is if he is caught.
Isnt Jim W known for changing gear / shoes etc guite often?
"I don't want to win unless I know I've done my best, and the only way I know how to do that is to run out front, flat out until I have nothing left. Winning any other way is chicken-sh*t. "
go Jim!