What did Valerie Jarrett do to get Roseanne mad?

Luv2Run wrote:

I just wonder why anyone on the right would embrace her

Because in the reboot of the show she was a Trump supporter. It was satire, but Trumpers don't understand satire and throw a hissy fit whenever anything seemingly pro-Trump gets bashed.

There's definitely a difference between hating someone for how they were born vs. hating someone for their actions.

But this is all straying from the topic, which is the goal of the whataboutism.

She actually did have an uncanny resemblance to the planet of the apes persons

I don't believe for one second that the tweet was ever meant to be racist, nor was it.

People compare Trump to monkey all the time, that doesn't make them racist, I've seen some comparison photo and thought "ya that does look like him".

There is a difference between saying "all people of a certain race are monkeys" (racist), and saying "this particular person looks like a monkey" (insulting, but not racist)

Roseanne got canned for the same reason Colin Kaepernick can't find a job. When you cost your company more money than you create for them, you get fired. I support both owners for their actions.

Realtalk wrote:

She actually did have an uncanny resemblance to the planet of the apes persons

I don't believe for one second that the tweet was ever meant to be racist, nor was it.

People compare Trump to monkey all the time, that doesn't make them racist, I've seen some comparison photo and thought "ya that does look like him".

There is a difference between saying "all people of a certain race are monkeys" (racist), and saying "this particular person looks like a monkey" (insulting, but not racist)

Given the racist history towards blacks and degrading them to the levels of primates, that is a line you don't cross. She knew what she was saying, and it was full well in the vein of racism (whether it was genuine or not).

Racist history is pretty redundant, when was history not racist?

Also isn't it pretty racist to suggest certain races can't handle insults that others can?

Realtalk wrote:

Racist history is pretty redundant, when was history not racist?

Also isn't it pretty racist to suggest certain races can't handle insults that others can?

There is a massive historical weight behind a white person likening a black person to a monkey that is simply not there in the case of, say, a black person likening a rich white man to an Orangutan, on account of his bizarre practice of coloring his skin and hair Orangutan orange. Likening a black person to an monkey was part of the theory behind the actual practices of chattel slavery, racial terrorism, and segregation.

There is, however, some historical weight behind a women being called a c*nt, so Bee is on the hook for that one.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

There's a difference between hating someone for their individual actions, like Ivanka or the Donald, and hating someone for a category they fit into (race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation). Hating an individual actually takes effort, because you have to pay attention to the individual. Hating a person because of a category is just lazy, stupid, and short sighted. Learn to tell the difference between the two.

NO difference. Calling someone in either category (AA or Trump and his family), what they were called is despicable. Both Barr and Bee both should get equal treatment. But of course they won't.

In my mind most relevant differences between Barr's tweet and what Bee said on air are their circumstances. Barr is the star of a family-targeted broadcast-television show whereas Bee is the host of a cable political comedy show. That sets a big difference in expectations. I do think Bee crossed a line here but replace the C-word and she's simply calling out a member of the Trump administration which is what her show is about. Barr's tweet, on the other hand is pretty indefensible unless you really believe that Barr didn't know Jarrett was black in which case it's just really stupid.

Realtalk wrote:

She actually did have an uncanny resemblance to the planet of the apes persons

I don't believe for one second that the tweet was ever meant to be racist, nor was it.

People compare Trump to monkey all the time, that doesn't make them racist, I've seen some comparison photo and thought "ya that does look like him".

There is a difference between saying "all people of a certain race are monkeys" (racist), and saying "this particular person looks like a monkey" (insulting, but not racist)

Realtalk, you are attempting to hijack a legitimate argument that others have used on why 2 things are different:

1. A racist rant aimed at one person for no particular action.

2. A vulgar rant aimed at one person for some particular actions.

by trying to make them the same. In your argument you claim "not racist" while reinforcing the racist remark. Also claiming that the same is said of Trump - it is not (usually appearance insults are about his small hands or his hair). That is a poor argument at best. Everyone who has paid any attention to news and past history know that a reference like "monkey" is seen as a racist remark. To claim otherwise is to ignore common knowledge because it suits your current argument needs.

As others have said, this also comes back to capitalism. ABC felt it was going to cost them money to keep Barr. TBS feels a little controversy is OK because it has not alienated an entire race, just a bunch of Trump supporters who aren't watching anyway.

As others have said, Barr defenders are trying to cloud the debate without refuting what she did by saying "look what this other person did! It's not fair!". It is their standard tactic.

Critical thinking skills involve reading multiple sources of information and understanding the bias of each, then making reasonable conclusions.

Realtalk wrote:

She actually did have an uncanny resemblance to the planet of the apes persons

I don't believe for one second that the tweet was ever meant to be racist, nor was it.

People compare Trump to monkey all the time, that doesn't make them racist, I've seen some comparison photo and thought "ya that does look like him".

There is a difference between saying "all people of a certain race are monkeys" (racist), and saying "this particular person looks like a monkey" (insulting, but not racist)

You need to back up your claim regarding VJ

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So with that in mind, it is possible that Rosanne was intending to make fun of VJ's looks as VJ, and not as a black woman. Rosanne's prompt apology for making fun of her looks, and her claim that she didn't know VJ was black, could support this claim. But then why didn't Rosanne just explain this right away on twitter, including the pictures I just posted?

Either way, Rosanne is an idiot and she lost her job for her stupidity (whether or not her stupidity was interpreted as racist or not).

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

There's a difference between hating someone for their individual actions, like Ivanka or the Donald, and hating someone for a category they fit into (race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation). Hating an individual actually takes effort, because you have to pay attention to the individual. Hating a person because of a category is just lazy, stupid, and short sighted. Learn to tell the difference between the two.

NO difference. Calling someone in either category (AA or Trump and his family), what they were called is despicable. Both Barr and Bee both should get equal treatment. But of course they won't.

Wow! You ARE old.

Hahahahahaaaa y'all snowflakes can't handle a thicc beauty like Roseanne ???

CBS can suckass wrote:

CBS’ Samantha Bee called Ivanka the word ‘c- nt’ and:

1. Show not canceled

2. This loser not fired

3. Given some award tonight

Liberals and main stream media can swallow my runnyturds.

Ted Nugent called Hillary a c*nt and Trump hosted him as a guest in the Oval Office. Now all of a sudden that kind of comment is offesnsive? Get the feck outta here.

comedyrelief wrote:

Roseanne got canned for the same reason Colin Kaepernick can't find a job. When you cost your company more money than you create for them, you get fired. I support both owners for their actions.

DING DING DING!!!

If you don't think the word "c'nt" is offensive add it to your repertoire - try calling a female co-worker that name.

zxczxcv wrote:

I was puzzled by this. Valerie Jarrett was a minor, minor figure in the Obama White House.

Wow, talk about delusion. She was/is BO's top advisor, and the closest person to BO outside of Michelle. VJ lives with them, btw.

She is BO's other brain... and if you truly think that she is a minor player, again, you're delusional.

Ever notice how many chimps have white skin?

Are the offended individuals (liberals) actually saying that black people look like monkeys?

I'm beginning to think that this was a set up, and once again, the liberals are getting played.

She is part of the Muslim brotherhood and helped another Muslim named Obama dismiss our country in favor of radical terrorism.

Realtalk wrote:

She actually did have an uncanny resemblance to the planet of the apes persons

I don't believe for one second that the tweet was ever meant to be racist, nor was it.

People compare Trump to monkey all the time, that doesn't make them racist, I've seen some comparison photo and thought "ya that does look like him".

There is a difference between saying "all people of a certain race are monkeys" (racist), and saying "this particular person looks like a monkey" (insulting, but not racist)

Yeah, even if true, you're not supposed to say that. Kind of like calling a woman a cu**