USATF 1500, dissssssguisting

I was at the Millrose mile when Stember won...he did get the crowd excited...what ever happened to his partner in crime from Stanford? He who ran to the beat of his own drummer...

your response brought the level of this post, and message board, down two notches. you sir, should loosen your tie and allow some oxygen to reach that much underused brain of yours.

One, you don't need to call me sir.

Two, have you been drinking?

listen buddy, i don't know what race you were watching but i was there and it was the most exciting race i've seen since jocken dieckfoss won the new england 3K in 8:11 point what? from start to finish it was sit and kick. we all know that and the build-up is kind of like getting laid and knowing that your gonna get your turn to do the receiving but you have to wait it out. i liked the race, i don't like you though or your negative demoralizing comments.

a few guys ran 4:02 miles in a community college rec ctr in front a few thousand. that's what tv broadcast showed. for crissakes usatf, get this meet in a dome on a 200m track, get visa , xerox and whoever else to spend some real dough and offer tickets to every usatf member. embarassing, i bet there were at least 15 tsporting events in new england that will outdraw this mee.

waffler wrote:

a few guys ran 4:02 miles in a community college rec ctr in front a few thousand. that's what tv broadcast showed. for crissakes usatf, get this meet in a dome on a 200m track, get visa , xerox and whoever else to spend some real dough and offer tickets to every usatf member. embarassing, i bet there were at least 15 tsporting events in new england that will outdraw this mee.

You assume that Visa, Xerox, etc want to spend the money in that way. I am thinking you know nothing about marketing these events.

lov to run.

you are right, but, you suck. you are a suck.

Why was Mitchell a DNS?

Because he didn't start.

he hurt his back

Championship races are for winning championships and, in this case, qualifying for bigger championships. Clearly that was what Stember and Lunn were looking to do, mission accomplished.

Nobody's in the kind of shape Krum was last summer, nor should they be. Lunn did say he felt he was in shape to get the US indoor 1500m record. He looks good. Stember? Well, I'm still waiting to see him break through.

Hey bonehead,

it's panache, not panaché

The race made me very angry how they mooched off Gruber and then outkicked him. It shows how pathetic American Distance Running is getting. Gruber should be getting a sponsor after this hopefully. He was the only one not wearing a sponsored jersey (with the exception to Bak) and whooped all there asses!

Who's the dumbass? Gruber for his brilliant race strategy? Or Lunn for his? Let me think....hmmm, I think Gruber wins the title - but not the trip to Worlds.

I wasn't at the race, but the results were pretty sad. First, though, I have to defend the Reggie Lewis track. Yes, it is at a community college, what does that matter? I am confused about the comment about the 200m track in a dome. Do people run faster in domes?? Ask any middle distance or distance athletes about Reggie. They will tell you it is one of the fastest tracks in the world. I can't remeber how many world and American records I've seen on that track over the past four years, it's unreal. The wild thing is, you can pay 60 bucks a quarter and train there whenever you want, which is becoming more and more difficult these days at quality tracks.

As far as the 1500 specifically, yes, Lunn used great tactics. Americans always talk about the win being more important than the time. That's putting your head in the sand. It's a timed race, and if you can run faster, you win. World record holders tend to do pretty well in competition, and fast races aren't always boring. The fact of the matter is that Americans need the faster times to be competitive on the world scene, and the people who have realized this have made the breakthroughs. I felt sorry for Ryan Bak, who ran a 4:01 mile alone for the last 700m two weeks ago, and was probably hoping to get pulled to a fast time on Saturday. He now know's Americans don't have the confidence to run fast in championships. Maybe we just specialize in kickers, but I don't think so. Stember and Lunn knew they could kick, and the rest were fools. The sad thing is, even thought the pace was slow and even, most did not run much faster the last 400.

The fact you can run workouts twice a week to get ready to run 14:40 or whatever at some twilight allcomers meet for only $20/month does not mean that the facility is worthy of a National Championship.

The meet used to be an day long affair which drew 17-20,000 people. Granted the track was slower but, the crowd made up for that. The meet was on TV for 2-3 hrs and the press actually covered it.

This past weekend saw XC skiing on NBC for 1.5-2 hrs, bowling on ESPn for 2 hrs and track on espn for 1 hr. If you are content with this and like being able to watch track meets at the same place you crank out 12x400m at 69 or whatever it is you after work or school, then relax you should be happy.

what was wrong with what the other guys did? was it not gruber who took it out from the beginning? was it not him who didnt slow down to have others share the lead? would you have not done the exact same thing if gruber took off in front of you?

this is a race, not some sort of preschool cooperative activity. the point was to get top two. lunn and stember got the job done. gruber did not.

My opinion: (this disclaimer is obviously needed on this board...)

I am bored with American men's distance running because it seems I am never surprised. Now before someone jumps all over me and tells me that I can't do better, let me agree with them. However, I don't watch track because I think someday I'll be in the mix. I don't have the ambition and or talent to do so. I already ran for my shitty DIII school and knotched my 14 minute 5k thanks.

I find it bizarre that other sports don't require their critics to be proficient at the sport they are responding to, but when someone says something negative about running, they are turned away straight away because they haven't been there.

Ok, so I'm not entirely bored, and I totally support American distance running, it just seems that I can predict every American race like it was WWE Monday Night RAW. Not specifically, but you've seen the sit and kick races at the nats for so long, that I'm getting slightly bored of them...