Which states have NOT had a sub 4 minute mile run on their soil?

New Hampshire appears to be 4:00.9 by Jack McDonald at the 1976 edition of Dartmouth Relays. There's also Ben True's dubious 3:59.99—can't remember if that was in NH.

I believe Vermont would be Springfield's Jack Pinho 4:12.74 Feb 17 2018 run at Middlebury's Virtue Field House (unless somebody can go back and dig up times from UVM's old outdoor track). Cory Sinotte of Manchester Central HS in NH ran 4:12.04 for 1600m at Burlington HS at New Englands in 2009.

Ches won the Merrie Mile in Hawaii last year in 3:58. Cross it off.

Multiple choice:

In which state was the first sub 4 run?

a) Kansas

b) California

c) Pennsylvania

d) Oregon

e) New York

f) Washington

guessing new york or pennsilvania, kansas was close b/c of wes santee but he never did it

california, don bowden

reading that old thread that Making it easy on you linked to (thanks), we learn:

1. courtesy of malmo (thanks) that,"UTEP's Wilson Waigwa wins the mile in the National Track and Field Hall of Fame Meet in Charleston WV on a hot and humid day in 3:58.3, beating Steve Foster of the Florida Track Club, who also broke 4 with a 3:59.9." I had that as Charleston, SC, so we can cross West Virginia off the list.

2. Jacinto Navarette (COL) ran 3:59.75 in Moscow on 13 Feb 1987, and I rather foolishly thought this was Moscow, Russia, but it turns out to be on the oversize track at Moscow, Idaho, so we can cross Idaho off the list.

which leaves us this list of states in which a sub-4 has not yet been run.

Colorado

Delaware

Hawaii

Mississippi

Nevada

New Hampshire

South Dakota

Vermont

Wyoming

cheers.

Cottonshirt wrote:

subzero is more like it wrote:

I don't think North Dakota has had a sub 4. At least the race organizer who's hoping for the fastest mile in ND history in a couple weeks thinks that getting close to 4 is all it will take to set the record.

Mike Slack ran 3:59.7i at Fargo, North Dakota on 26 Jan 1974. I don't have an outdoor sub-4 for the state.

cheers.

This is true, the fastest outdoor mile that I'm aware of was when Jake Leingang ran 4:05.63 in the 1600m in high school.

Luv2Run wrote:

Colorado has never had one. I think the record is 4:01.

There have been certified road miles go under 4.

Neta wrote:

Multiple choice:

In which state was the first sub 4 run?

a) Kansas

b) California

c) Pennsylvania

d) Oregon

e) New York

f) Washington

the first sub-4 run in the US was 3:58.7 by John Landy (AUS) at Los Angeles, CA on 5 May 1956.

cheers.

Dijon Gebremustard wrote:

Chestnut Hill -> probably they mean Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia where you could count any of the Penn Relays sub-4s

There's no way that Chestnut Hill is referring to the Penn Relays - while there is a Chestnut Hill in Philly, it is on the far edge of the city limits and a solid 10+ miles from Franklin Field with many other neighborhoods in between.

IDK the answer to this one wrote:

Alaska just had their first outdoor sub 4 when Merber did it last September. There is actually a great documentary on the group of milers that went up to get it done...Merber, Alexander, Blankenship, Dunbar, and a few others.

Was Alaska the last state to see a sub 4 or are there still others?

Okay Merber, having us do the research for you.

Cottonshirt wrote:

Neta wrote:

Multiple choice:

In which state was the first sub 4 run?

a) Kansas

b) California

c) Pennsylvania

d) Oregon

e) New York

f) Washington

the first sub-4 run in the US was 3:58.7 by John Landy (AUS) at Los Angeles, CA on 5 May 1956.

cheers.

California is it, thought a few might guess Kansas because of W. Santee

He ran a marathon in all 50 States, he's a endurance runner but doesn't have enough speed to go sub 4

Cottonshirt wrote:

which leaves us this list of states in which a sub-4 has not yet been run.

Colorado

Delaware

Hawaii

Mississippi

Nevada

New Hampshire

South Dakota

Vermont

Wyoming

cheers.

someone pointed out earlier that King Ches ran a 3:58 at the Merri Mile in Hawaii. cross that off.

Cottonshirt said: the first sub-4 run in the US was 3:58.7 by John Landy (AUS) at Los Angeles, CA on 5 May 1956.

and... because I answered so confidently, I was obviously wrong.

Landy was 2nd in that race. the winner was Jim Bailey, another Australian, who ran 3:58.6, but the answer to your question was still California.

cheers.

Too bad Wheating never bothered to break 4 in his home state.

As of yet, he's the only Vermonter to have run sub-4. (His high school was in NH, on the other side of the Connecticut river, but he lived in VT.)

ric flair woo wrote: someone pointed out earlier that King Ches ran a 3:58 at the Merri Mile in Hawaii. cross that off.

I think you'll also find that the Merrie Mile is not run on a track, so I'm afraid it doesn't count.

cheers.

Schmitterz wrote:

Dijon Gebremustard wrote:

Chestnut Hill -> probably they mean Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia where you could count any of the Penn Relays sub-4s

There's no way that Chestnut Hill is referring to the Penn Relays - while there is a Chestnut Hill in Philly, it is on the far edge of the city limits and a solid 10+ miles from Franklin Field with many other neighborhoods in between.

I was thinking the same thing. Chestnut Hill isn’t even in the actual city, while Penn is in West Philly. There have also been sub 4s in West Chester, PA and then the fast 1500s at Swarthmore every year that equate to well under 4.

PeanutButterJelly wrote:

Cottonshirt wrote:

Mike Slack ran 3:59.7i at Fargo, North Dakota on 26 Jan 1974. I don't have an outdoor sub-4 for the state.

cheers.

This is true, the fastest outdoor mile that I'm aware of was when Jake Leingang ran 4:05.63 in the 1600m in high school.

that doesn't make any sense.

a mile is 1609.34 meters, not 1600m