Which states have NOT had a sub 4 minute mile run on their soil?

Not a mile either but I'm not finding a mile time for him.

habs wrote:

CopyKat wrote:

Didn't Jack Bolas run a sub 4 indoors in Alaska in 2013? I recall seeing a video of it back in the day?

JR

Looks like it, haven't watched the video yet but it looks like it was a time trial and not a real meet though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHCMDL0oWJA

The time was legit. Sub 4 is sub 4.

And the list is horrible. Steve Scott ran 3:55 at Drake (IA) way back in the 1970s, and Web ran 3:51 there about 10 years ago.

Rheinhold Cacoethes wrote:

rojo wrote:

WV or SC? Charleston 3:58.3 m Wilson Waigwa 12 Jun 76

That leaves out Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Vermont, Wisconsin, Wyoming, and either South Carolina or West Virgina (since I can't find any record of which Charleston Waigwa ran 3:58 at.)

No way did Waigwa run 3:58 in Charleston SC in June. Alan Webb was first person under 4 on SC soil at Furman Blue Shoes Mile in '07 in 3:57.83. Hammond has since surpassed this time

Why do you say no way? You have the internet which is like a library at your fingertips. It's very easy to look this shit up. Why don't you try?

Falmouth best is actually 3:54.89 by Jordan McNamara in 2011 (aug 13, 2011)

I believe Ben True ran a rather dubious sub-4 (3:59.99) at Dartmouth way back. Can't remember what their record board says. Gault should know.

Nope, ran 3:59.99 in Cambridge.

big green wrote:

I believe Ben True ran a rather dubious sub-4 (3:59.99) at Dartmouth way back. Can't remember what their record board says. Gault should know.

Alan Webb ran 3:51 at Drake Relays (Des Moines, IA) in 2007. I believe it was the fastest Mile ever run in April...

malmo wrote:

Rheinhold Cacoethes wrote:

No way did Waigwa run 3:58 in Charleston SC in June. Alan Webb was first person under 4 on SC soil at Furman Blue Shoes Mile in '07 in 3:57.83. Hammond has since surpassed this time

Why do you say no way? You have the internet which is like a library at your fingertips. It's very easy to look this shit up. Why don't you try?

Okay genius, the only record of this meet online is this list repeated by various sources. No news articles, nothing on school record lists, and it was reported by many sources that Webb's mile was the first sub-4 in the state.

The only other piece of circumstantial evidence is that Baptist College had a Kenyan (Francis Mwobobia, 5k pr listed 14:28 in 1977) around the same time, so maybe UTEP traveled a few thousand miles so their Kenyans could compete against this one?

Yo, stud? I'm too lazy tu use that there Interweb. No service at my trailer.

Why New England so poorly represented? What's wrong with them?

Vermont? Andrew Wheating didn't pop one at home?

New Hampshire? Gotta believe someone did it at Dartmouth relays in Hanover or at an Ivy meet outdoors there?

And no Mick from Providence or clown from Brown in lil' Rhode Island?

Is Connecticut represented?no love for the Nutmeg state?

lists that need making:

Fastest in each state Male&Female indoor/outdoor/road/absolute

All comers

USA citizen

Born in that state

Fastest mile by a person born in each state regardless of where it was accomplished.

Reinhold Cacoethes wrote:

malmo wrote:

Why do you say no way? You have the internet which is like a library at your fingertips. It's very easy to look this shit up. Why don't you try?

Okay genius, the only record of this meet online is this list repeated by various sources. No news articles, nothing on school record lists, and it was reported by many sources that Webb's mile was the first sub-4 in the state.

Believe it or not people could research things before the internet and Google. Do you millennial really think that Google, which exists to push advertising to you 24/7, is the only way to find things?

I already knew the answer to this, but if I didn't, how would I go about looking this up? First step is Google. Fail. Google is the biggest advertising company in the world, but if it's not written in text for Google's bots to find and catalog its useless.

Well maybe not so useless if I used my brain to come up with an Old Skool method of sleuthing.

If you were born before the internet you had to actually go to the library to do research. You would actually have to use your brain and come up with a plan. My plan would to request newspaper copies for the dates leading up and past the date of June 12, 1976. If the library doesn't have the copies saved, they've certainly put them on microfiche. I'd put the microfiche in the projector and scroll through until I get to the information I need. That's too hard for me. It actually requires thought and effort. Screw that, I'll just wait for someone else to do the light lifting for me.

Wait a minute, haven't libraries been putting their newspaper microfiche inventories on the internet? I got an idea. It's an idea that every single person who has gone through college should know. Even Junior High kids should know this. I'm going to google something like "West Virginia Newspaper archives" and see what happens. The results are looking good. I see a link that looks like it could help me, so I click on it. I do take a couple of stabs at advanced search using only "Waigwa" and date boundaries before and after June 12, 1976 -- and I get what I'm looking for.

The very first result gave me everything.

Sure enough, UTEP's Wilson Waigwa wins the mile in the National Track and Field Hall of Fame Meet in Charleston WV on a hot and humid day in 3:58.3, beating Steve Foster of the Florida Track Club, who also broke 4 with a 3:59.9.

"I almost gave up," Waigwa said,"It was very hot out there."

The Track and Field Hall of Fame was eventually moved to Indianapolis.

But Malmo,

The Wifi here at Starbucks is so slow...

I spilled my vente latte on my laptop...

I would rather let someone else do it while I look at Tinder...

I am late for my Crossfit workout...

sincerely,

Mr. Millenial

Good ones, My fellow Millennial.

Add:its snowing so even though its a snow day(I'm classified nonessential personnel, how'd a guessed?)I can't go to the library (no one under 40 has ever been in one anyway, and I thought a microfiche is like a minnow.)

Also, Dominos won't deliver and neither will my dealer sos I'm stuck here with a weak WiFi and stale Doritos. I'm also out of weed and beer.

Nice grammar you r3tard3d Alabaman

Seriously, malmo, can you raise your reading skills to the level or your research? He said "No way did Waigwa run 3:58 in Charleston SC in June." And he was right.

malmo wrote:

Rheinhold Cacoethes wrote:

No way did Waigwa run 3:58 in Charleston SC in June. Alan Webb was first person under 4 on SC soil at Furman Blue Shoes Mile in '07 in 3:57.83. Hammond has since surpassed this time

Why do you say no way? You have the internet which is like a library at your fingertips. It's very easy to look this shit up. Why don't you try?

Seriously you're an idiot. I didn't even consider SC as valid becasue the answer was always WV and was easy to find out.

Er... wrote:

Seriously, malmo, can you raise your reading skills to the level or your research? He said "No way did Waigwa run 3:58 in Charleston SC in June." And he was right.

malmo wrote:

Why do you say no way? You have the internet which is like a library at your fingertips. It's very easy to look this shit up. Why don't you try?

Jordan McNamara, Nike OTC Elite 3:54.27 2014

Festival of Miles St. Louis

in 2007 vincent rono ran 3:59 in mobile AL

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/vincent-kipsang-rono-211456

clayton murphy ran 3:57.11 in ohio, faster than the 3:57.16 listed. it was also murphy's first time sub 4