What is going on at OK State

Wondering?? wrote:

What is going on with the current situation at Oklahoma state? Ive heard a lot of rumors of transfers and now that Dave Smith may leave for Washington.

The rumors about multiple members of the men's team transferring is true. I am not sure about Smith leaving for Washington.

I won't believe it until I see some names listed at other schools.

So Washington will hire another coach in charge of a program that has stagnated? Makes sense.

vivalarepublica wrote:

So Washington will hire another coach in charge of a program that has stagnated? Makes sense.

I’d love to see Dave Smith at UW.

Don’t care where Metcalf ends up.

vivalarepublica wrote:

So Washington will hire another coach in charge of a program that has stagnated? Makes sense.

You misspelled "won multiple national championships. "

hate letsrun wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

So Washington will hire another coach in charge of a program that has stagnated? Makes sense.

You misspelled "won multiple national championships. "

Yes it is true that D. Smith won those championships years ago. But what has he done lately? Was his success just because of the great athletes on the rosters or was it because of him? Now okie state doesn't have those guys who are on track to make Olympic teams. I would like to see him stay and bring the program back to where it once was.

Bobby got lazy with recruiting after they won the Championships and they started paying him the big bucks.

poke land. wrote:

Bobby got lazy with recruiting after they won the Championships and they started paying him the big bucks.

This.

And Dave showing up to either take credit or yell at a kid.

And the program branching out to a full team instead of just distance.

Thatistruebut wrote:

hate letsrun wrote:

You misspelled "won multiple national championships. "

Yes it is true that D. Smith won those championships years ago. But what has he done lately? Was his success just because of the great athletes on the rosters or was it because of him? Now okie state doesn't have those guys who are on track to make Olympic teams. I would like to see him stay and bring the program back to where it once was.

As an outside observer, I think Smith has done a great job at Ok St. You say that he may have just been great because of the athletes on the team, but isn't that a huge part of a coach's job, getting the right guys on campus? Seems like he should be praised for that. Plus they won the conference meet on the track a few years ago. They're definitely not on the same level they were in like 2010 but they are doing fine.

My question about him leaving would be whether UW could afford him. I've heard rumors that T. Boone has taken care of Smith in the past when they've had a good season.

I think you are right. It's been a dropoff from the glory years, but he doing fine. Convincing runners to come to the middle of Oklahoma and compete for championships is impressive enough.

With three national championships and a number of other top finishes, he deserves a job for life, unless he pulls some unethical or abusive crap.

C'mon man. Let's be real here. All of the good teams that OK State has had have been nothing but foreigners. That is not that great of recruiting because you give a full ride and many are willing to go anywhere. If he was having more success with domestic recruits then I would agree with you.

foreign pool wrote:

C'mon man. Let's be real here. All of the good teams that OK State has had have been nothing but foreigners. That is not that great of recruiting because you give a full ride and many are willing to go anywhere. If he was having more success with domestic recruits then I would agree with you.

This

foreign pool wrote:

C'mon man. Let's be real here. All of the good teams that OK State has had have been nothing but foreigners. That is not that great of recruiting because you give a full ride and many are willing to go anywhere. If he was having more success with domestic recruits then I would agree with you.

It's an overstatement to say "nothing but foreigners", but I see where youre coming from .

Success is success whether the team is comprised of foreigners or not. The clock doesn’t care what country you are from. Foreigners usually come at a higher cost so it is risky to get too many. It is silly to pick apart success by saying he had good runners or that he had foreigners on the team.

Dave Smith is awful, Fire him....

Team Highlights

2006 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2006 Men’s Cross Country – 10th place at NCAAs

2007 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2007 Men’s Cross Country – Third place at NCAAs

2008 Big 12 Men’s Cross Country Champions

2008 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2008 Men’s Cross Country – Eighth place at NCAAs

2009 Big 12 Men’s Cross Country Champions

2009 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2009 NCAA Men’s Cross Country Champions

2010 Big 12 Men’s Cross Country Champions

2010 NCAA Men’s Cross Country Champions

2011 Big 12 Men’s Cross Country Champions

2011 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2011 NCAA Men’s Cross Country Runner-Up

2012 Big 12 Men’s Cross Country Champions

2012 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Co-Champions

2012 NCAA Men’s Cross Country Champions

2013 Big 12 Men’s Cross Country Champions

2013 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2013 Men’s Cross Country – Third place at NCAAs

2013 Men’s Indoor Track & Field – Eighth place at NCAAs

2014 Big 12 Men’s Indoor Track & Field Champions

2014 Men’s Indoor Track & Field – Sixth place at NCAAs

2014 Big 12 Men’s Cross Country Champions

2014 Men’s Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2014 Men’s Cross Country – Ninth place at NCAAs

2015 Big 12 Men's Cross Country Champions

2015 Big 12 Women's Cross Country Champions

2015 Men's Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2015 Women's Cross Country Midwest Region Champions

2015 Women's Cross Country – Seventh place at NCAAs

2016 Big 12 Men's Indoor Track & Field Champions

2016 Big 12 Women's Indoor Track and Field Runner-Up

2016 Women's Indoor Track & Field – 10th place at NCAAs

2016 Women's Outdoor Track & Field – 12th place at NCAAs

NCAA Individual Champions - 7

1999 Women’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

1999 Women’s Outdoor 10,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2009 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters - German Fernandez

2013 Women’s Outdor 1,500 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2015 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters - Chad Noelle

2016 Women's Indoor Mile – Kaela Edwards

2016 Men's Hammer Throw – Nick Miller

All-Americans - 126

1999 Women’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

1999 Women’s Outdoor 5,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

1999 Women’s Outdoor 10,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

1999 Women’s Cross Country - Leigh Daniel

2000 Women’s Indoor 3,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2000 Women’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2000 Men’s Indoor Mile - Gez Yossef

2001 Women’s Outdoor 10,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2001 Women’s Indoor 400 meters - Ngozi Iwu

2002 Indoor 800 meters - Shannon Spaulding

2003 Men’s Indoor 5,000 meters – Jason Woolhouse

2003 Men’s Cross Country - Mindi Pukstas

2004 Men’s Indoor Mile – Jason Woolhouse

2007 Men’s Cross Country – David Chirchir

2007 Men’s Cross Country – Ryan Vail

2008 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 meters – Ryan Vail

2008 Men’s Cross Country – John Kosgei

2008 Men’s Cross Country – Ryan Vail

2009 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 meters – Ryan Vail

2009 Men’s Cross Country – Ryan Vail

2009 Men’s Cross Country – Colby Lowe

2009 Men’s Cross Country – John Kosgei

2009 Men’s Cross Country – Girma Mecheso

2010 Women’s Indoor Mile – Mihaela Susa

2010 Women’s Indoor 5,000 meters – Felicity Milton

2010 Men’s Indoor 5,000 meters – Colby Lowe

2010 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 meters – John Kosgei

2010 Men’s Cross Country - Girma Mecheso

2010 Men’s Cross Country - German Fernandez

2010 Men’s Cross Country - Colby Lowe

2010 Men’s Cross Country - Tom Farrell

2010 Men’s Cross Country - Johnathan Stublaski

2011 Men’s Indoor 3,000 meters - Tom Farrell

2011 Women’s Indoor Mile - Natalja Piliusina

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Natalja Piliusina

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Mihaela Bobos

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Brandi Andrews

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Mihaela Susa

2011 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 meters - Tom Farrell

2011 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 meters - Colby Lowe

2011 Women’s Outdoor 800 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2011 Women’s Outdoor 10,000 meters - Tone Hjalmarsen

2011 Men’s Cross Country - Colby Lowe

2011 Men’s Cross Country - German Fernandez

2011 Men’s Cross Country - Tom Farrell

2012 Men’s Indoor Mile - Raul Botezan

2012 Men’s Indoor Mile - Kirubel Erassa

2012 Men’s Indoor 3,000 meters - Tom Farrell

2012 Men’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Shadrack Kipchirchir

2012 Men’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Girma Mecheso

2012 Women’s Indoor 800 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2012 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 meters - Girma Mecheso

2012 Men’s Outdoor Steeplechase - Fabian Clarkson

2012 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters - German Fernandez

2012 Men’s Outdoor Hammer Throw - Nick Miller

2012 Women’s Outdoor High Jump - Toni Young

2012 Women’s Outdoor 1,500 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2012 Women’s Outdoor Steeplechase - Kate Kujawa

2012 Men’s Cross Country - Girma Mecheso

2012 Men’s Cross Country - Tom Farrell

2012 Men’s Cross Country - Shadrack Kipchirchir

2012 Men’s Cross Country - Joseph Manilafasha

2013 Men’s Indoor 3,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2013 Men’s Indoor 3,000 Meters - Tom Farrell

2013 Men’s Indoor 5,000 Meters - Girma Mecheso

2013 Men’s Indoor 5,000 Meters - Shadrack Kipchirchir

2013 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley - Tyler Payton

2013 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley - Raul Botezan

2013 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley - Kirubel Erassa

2013 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley - Tom Farrell

2013 Men’s Indoor Weight Throw - Nick Miller

2013 Women’s Indoor 800 Meters - Natalja Piliusina

2013 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2013 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 Meters - Girma Mecheso

2013 Men’s Outdoor Steeplechase - Fabian Clarkson

2013 Men’s Outdoor Hammer Throw - Nick Miller

2013 Women’s Outdoor 1,500 Meters - Natalja Piliusina

2013 Men’s Cross Country - Tom Farrell

2013 Men’s Cross Country - Shadrack Kipchirchir

2013 Women’s Cross Country - Monika Juodeskaite

2014 Men’s Indoor Weight Throw - Nick Miller

2014 Men’s Indoor 200 Meters - Tyreek Hill

2014 Men’s Indoor 3,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Men’s Indoor DMR - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Men’s Indoor DMR - Shane Moskowitz

2014 Men’s Indoor DMR - Chad Noelle

2014 Men’s Indoor DMR - Tyler Payton

2014 Women’s Indoor 800 Meters - Savannah Camacho

2014 Women’s Indoor 800 Meters - Kaela Edwards

2014 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 Meters - Shadrack Kipchirchir

2014 Men’s Outdoor 100 Meters - John Teeters

2014 Men’s Outdoor Hammer Throw - Nick Miller

2014 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 Meters - Shadrack Kipchirchir

2014 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Women’s Outdoor 5,000 Meters - Monika Juodeskaite

2014 Men’s Cross Country - Craig Nowak

2015 Men’s Indoor Weight Throw - Nick Miller

2015 Men’s Indoor Mile - Chad Noelle

2015 Men’s Indoor 60 meters - John Teeters

2015 Women’s Indoor 800 Meters - Kaela Edwards

2015 Men’s Indoor 3,000 Meters - Fabian Clarkson

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Fabian Clarkson

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Matthew Fayers

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Vegard Oelstad

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Brandon Singleton

2015 Women’s Indoor Mile - Jennifer Celis

2015 Women’s Indoor Shot Put - Chase Ealey

2015 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 Meters - Chad Noelle

2015 Women’s Outdoor 800 Meters - Savannah Camacho

2015 Women’s Outdoor 1,500 Meters - Natalja Piliusina

2015 Women's Cross Country – Ingeborg Loevnes

2016 Men's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Chad Noelle

2016 Men's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Tre'Tez Kinnaird

2016 Men's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Brandon Singleton

2016 Men's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Josh Thompson

2016 Men's Indoor 60 Meters – John Teeters

2016 Women's Indoor 800 Meters – Savannah Camacho

2016 Women's Indoor Mile – Kaela Edwards

2016 Women's Indoor Shot Put – Chase Ealey

2016 Men's Outdoor 100 Meters – John Teeters

2016 Men's Outdoor Hammer Throw – Nick Miller

2016 Women's Outdoor 1,500 Meters – Kaela Edwards

2016 Women's Outdoor 3K Steeplechase – Ingeborg Loevnes

2016 Women's Outdoor 5,000 Meters – Aurora Dybedokken

2016 Women's Shot Put – Chase Ealey

Big 12 Performer of the Year - 6

2008 Men’s Cross Country - German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Indoors - German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Outdoors - German Fernandez

2010 Men’s Outdoors - John Kosgei

2014 Men’s Indoors - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Men’s Cross Country - Kirubel Erassa

USTFCCCA Midwest Region Athlete of the Year - 8

2009 Men’s Indoors - German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Outdoors - German Fernandez

2014 Men’s Indoors - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Men’s Outdoors - Nick Miller

2014 Men’s Cross Country - Kirubel Erassa

2016 Men's Indoors – Josh Thompson

2016 Women's Indoors – Kaela Edwards

2016 Men's Outdoors – Nick Miller

Big 12 Champions - 101

1999 Women’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

1999 Women’s Outdoor 3,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

1999 Women’s Outdoor 5,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2000 Women’s Indoor 3,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2000 Women’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2001 Women’s Outdoor 10,000 meters - Leigh Daniel

2001 Men’s Indoor Mile - Gez Yossef

2002 Women’s Indoor DMR - Katie Lyman

2002 Women’s Indoor DMR - Brionne Yosten

2002 Women’s Indoor DMR - Licretia Sibley

2002 Women’s Indoor DMR - Shannon Spaulding

2003 Men’s Indoor Mile – Jason Woolhouse

2004 Men’s Indoor Mile – Jason Woolhouse

2004 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters – Jason Woolhouse

2004 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 meters – Scott Rantall

2008 Men’s Indoor 3,000 meters – Ryan Vail

2008 Men’s Cross Country – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Indoor Mile – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Indoor 3,000 meters – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Indoor 5,000 meters – John Kosgei

2009 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 meters – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 meters – Ryan Vail

2009 Men’s Cross Country – Ryan Vail

2010 Men’s Indoor 3,000 meters – Colby Lowe

2010 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters – Johnathan Stublaski

2010 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 meters – John Kosgei

2010 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 meters – John Kosgei

2010 Men’s Cross Country - Girma Mecheso

2011 Men’s Indoor Mile - German Fernandez

2011 Men’s Indoor 3,000 meters - Tom Farrell

2011 Women’s Indoor 800 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2011 Women’s Indoor Mile - Mihaela Susa

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Natalja Piliusina

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Mihaela Bobos

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Caileigh Glenn

2011 Women’s Indoor DMR - Mihaela Susa

2011 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 meters - Tom Farrell

2011 Women’s Outdoor 800 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2011 Men’s Cross Country - German Fernandez

2012 Men’s Indoor 5,000 meters - Shadrack Kipchirchir

2012 Women’s Indoor 800 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2012 Women’s Indoor DMR - Kate Kujawa

2012 Women’s Indoor DMR - Caileigh Glenn

2012 Women’s Indoor DMR - Mihaela Bobos

2012 Women’s Indoor DMR - Natalja Piliusina

2012 Men’s Outdoor Hammer Throw - Nick Miller

2012 Women’s Outdoor 800 meters - Natalja Piliusina

2013 Men’s Indoor Weight Throw - Nick Miller

2013 Women’s Indoor 800 Meters - Natalja Piliusina

2013 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2013 Men’s Outdoor Hammer Throw - Nick Miller

2013 Women’s Outdoor 800 Meters - Natalja Piliusina

2014 Men’s Indoor 200 Meters - Tyreek Hill

2014 Men’s Indoor Mile - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Men’s Indoor 3,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Men’s Indoor 5,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2014 Men’s Indoor Weight Throw - Nick Miller

2014 Women’s Indoor 1,000 Meters - Savannah Camacho

2014 Women’s Indoor Triple Jump - Viktoriia Sadokhina

2014 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 Meters - Chad Noelle

2014 Men’s Outdoor Hammer Throw - Nick Miller

2014 Women’s Outdoor Triple Jump - Viktoriia Sadokhina

2014 Men’s Cross Country - Kirubel Erassa

2015 Men’s Indoor Mile - Chad Noelle

2015 Men’s Indoor Weight Throw - Nick Miller

2015 Men’s Indoor 5,000 Meters - Fabian Clarkson

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Chad Noelle

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Matthew Fayers

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Vegard Oelstad

2015 Men’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Brandon Singleton

2015 Women’s Indoor 1,000 Meters - Kaela Edwards

2015 Women’s Indoor 800 Meters - Clara Nichols

2015 Women’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Jennifer Celis

2015 Women’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Stephanie Ferrante

2015 Women’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Clara Nichols

2015 Women’s Indoor Distance Medley Relay - Kaela Edwards

2015 Men’s Outdoor 5,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2015 Men’s Outdoor 10,000 Meters - Kirubel Erassa

2015 Men’s Outdoor 1,500 Meters - Chad Noelle

2015 Women’s Outdoor 800 Meters - Savannah Camacho

2015 Women’s Outdoor 1,500 Meters - Natalja Piliusina

2015 Men's Cross Country – Vegard Oelstad

2016 Men's Indoor 800 Meters – Tre'Tez Kinnaird

2016 Men's Indoor 1,000 Meters – Josh Thompson

2016 Men's Indoor Mile – Josh Thompson

2016 Men's Indoor 3,000 Meters – Craig Nowak

2016 Men's Indoor 5,000 Meters – Cerake Geberkidane

2016 Women's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Savannah Camacho

2016 Women's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Danielle Coleman

2016 Women's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Clara Nichols

2016 Women's Indoor Distance Medley Relay – Jennifer Celis

2016 Women's Indoor 1,000 Meters – Kaela Edwards

2016 Women's Indoor Mile – Kaela Edwards

2016 Women's Indoor 3,000 Meters – Ingeborg Loevnes

2016 Men's Outdoor 1,500 Meters – Craig Nowak

2016 Men's Outdoor 5,000 Meters – Cerake Geberkidane

2016 Men's Outdoor 10,000 Meters – Cerake Geberkidane

2016 Men's Outdoor Hammer Throw – Nick Miller

2016 Women's Outdoor 1,500 Meters – Aurora Dybedokken

2016 Women's Outdoor 3K Steeplechase – Ingeborg Loevnes

Big 12 Newcomer of the Year - 8

2006 Men’s Cross Country – Daniel Watts

2007 Men’s Cross Country – David Chirchir

2008 Men’s Cross Country – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Indoors – German Fernandez

2009 Men’s Outdoors – German Fernandez

2010 Men’s Cross Country – Tom Farrell

2011 Women’s Cross Country – Monika Juodeskaite

2015 Men's Cross Country – Josh Thompson

2015 Women's Cross Country – Ingeborg Loevnes

Big 12 Freshman of the Year - 1

2014 Men’s Indoors - Tyreek Hill

2015 Men's Outdoors - Cerake Geberkidane

Everyone knows about Smith's all American athletes. I don't think anyone in this thread was suggesting he be fired, but if he will take the job at WU

I'm not saying that Dave hasn't had success. I'm also not saying that he has not done a great job at developing some domestic athletes (German, Ryan Vail, Colby Lowe, Josh Thompson, Cerake the first couple of years all come to mind). However, the bulk of his really good teams have been foreign athletes. My argument is that foreign athletes are easier to recruit (which they are), and they tend to be ready to contribute at a high level right away. There are occasional busts, but that is why scholarships are a year-to-year thing. Nothing wrong with the foreign emphasis. I just disagree with the idea that he is a better recruiter and developer of highly competitive, yet primarily domestic teams. Many other Power 5's are much better.

Other coaches should be fired if they are bypassing better foreign talent thereby sacrificing the overall program. It is harder, not easier, to recruit internationally. Most coaches have no idea how to go about getting foreigners. This guy’s resume is incredible.

foreign pool wrote:

I'm not saying that Dave hasn't had success. I'm also not saying that he has not done a great job at developing some domestic athletes (German, Ryan Vail, Colby Lowe, Josh Thompson, Cerake the first couple of years all come to mind). However, the bulk of his really good teams have been foreign athletes. My argument is that foreign athletes are easier to recruit (which they are), and they tend to be ready to contribute at a high level right away. There are occasional busts, but that is why scholarships are a year-to-year thing. Nothing wrong with the foreign emphasis. I just disagree with the idea that he is a better recruiter and developer of highly competitive, yet primarily domestic teams. Many other Power 5's are much better.

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