Everyone at my gym was too mesmerized by the LeBron show to even work out

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Murder Dub wrote:

Jordan played 15 seasons. He lost 9 times. His championship record is 6 wins to 9 losses, with all 9 losses occurring before the championship round, 7 occurring before the conference final round and a couple occurring before the playoffs even started.

Seriously dumb, dude.

The NBA finals is a championship series. You don't "lose" a series by not playing in it (you can't lose a game you're not in).

Come up with a better argument.

I should just let the stupidity of your comment speak for itself, but we are aware, I hope, that you have to win games to make it to the championship final and if you lose the games that precede that round of play you have lost the chance to compete at that level. Losing earlier in the process is not somehow better than losing in the final. If you finish second in the Olympic final of the 100 is that worse than not making it out of the heats?!???!??

Yup. LeBron has already lost 11 championships to Jordan's 9 losses and he isn't even done with his career yet -- another point in his favor. If he plays long enough, he may lose more championships than any other player in history.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Jordan never won a championship without Scottie Pippin. Jordan never smelled a championship early in his career when he was basically a one man scoring machine. And I'm way more than old enough to remember that and watching Wilt Chamberlain with the Lakers on TV too.

Jordan in his prime couldn't stop Lebron James of today. James is bigger, stronger and just as athletic.

DeBon Lames wrote:

Yup. LeBron has already lost 11 championships to Jordan's 9 losses and he isn't even done with his career yet -- another point in his favor. If he plays long enough, he may lose more championships than any other player in history.

False, Kevin Garnett played 21 seasons and only won one championship, he holds the records for lost championships at 20.

Followed them both..... wrote:

Jordan is the Pete Rose of the nba. Fortunately for him, the nba looked the other way when he gambled, womanized, and treated everybody around him like sh!t.

Whether Lebron is as great as Jordan(they are different types of player) Lebron is 10 times the human being.

Wrong bro! The league did not ignore MJ's gambling. The penalty and I'm serious: retire and play minor league baseball. It's a deal they worked out to prevent public humiliation and disgrace.

Bill Russell ... 13 seasons, 11 championships.

/EOT

What distances does he run????

Born in the 856 wrote:

Jordan in his prime couldn't stop Lebron James of today. James is bigger, stronger and just as athletic.

Jordan was way more fluid, coordinated. No that Lebron is clumsy, Jordan was just on another level in that area.

I think LeBron probably a bit faster though in straight line speed and obviously stronger.

I'll admit LeBron has probably caught Jordan career wise or soon will. His size/passingskills will age well.

But if you think watching LeBron now is more of a spectacle than watching Jordan in his prime,....must not be much of basketball historian.

LeBron is a very very good basketball player, maybe the best ever when it's all over.

Jordan was The Beatles of the 90's.

Babe Ruth, Muhammed Ali, Michael Jordan, .....thats the lineage.

Red Auerbach wrote:

Bill Russell ... 13 seasons, 11 championships.

/EOT

And he was surrounded by an incredible supporting cast. Put Wilt on those Celtic teams. Chamberlain wins at least 13 titles.

/EOT

Born in the 856 wrote:

Red Auerbach wrote:

Bill Russell ... 13 seasons, 11 championships.

/EOT

And he was surrounded by an incredible supporting cast. Put Wilt on those Celtic teams. Chamberlain wins at least 13 titles.

/EOT

Of course. The same is true for Jordan and LeBron. You’re point?

i don't even know why Russell's name comes up in these convos......dude shot like 44% from the the floor on low volume . (ie: easy shots, )

footage of young Wilt looks legit, lakers Wilt moves like a mummy. I might take Kareem over Wilt.

Wilt/Kareem/Shaq

Jordan/LeBron

these are the only debates worth having

everyone else just a pretender

derp wrote:

i don't even know why Russell's name comes up in these convos

It’s probably because he’s the leader in the most important statistic of all.

Lebron lifetime playoff PPG is greater than Jordan's 33.7 vs 33.4

Lebron lifetime playoff per game stats beat Jordan: rebounds, assists, minutes and blocks

Lebron at 33 yrs old should be past his peak, but he has not shown any big drop off in performance

derp wrote:

i don't even know why Russell's name comes up in these convos......dude shot like 44% from the the floor on low volume . (ie: easy shots, )

Yet another poster who doesn’t have a clue what it’s all about.

You seem to be forgetting Michael had to play against my next door neighbor Fred the assurance auditor who worked for Deloitte and travled 5 months out of the year during the offseason. LeBron never had to go against numbers guys like that. They would pick him apart. 2nd point, Jordan hated losing more than winning, so he wouldn’t have lost to the warriors, would have played it safe and lost to a team like Toronto. And to end the discussion once and for all, Jordan didn’t have the supporting cast/shooters like LeBron has with Jose caulderan and Kyle korver. A strong argument can be made Jordan may have never lost a game with talent like that around him.

I had merely pointed out the idiot that claimed LeBron was only the 4th or 5th best player in the league.

We could debate MJ vs LeBron all day, but that’s been done to death. Still, it is worth pointing out that LeBron’s longevity (that he “came into the league at like 15” but is still putting up insane stats) is one of his greatest accomplishments. Further, as others pointed out you cannot say that Jordan never lost a championship. It’s asinine to punish someone for losing in the finals vs. losing in the 2nd round.

Basketball is team sport.

Some truly great players never won a championship, e.g. Charles Barkley.

Some great but non-elite players have won more than Jordan or LeBron, e.g. Robert Hoary.

If we're just going to count rings, then we have to conclude that Big Shot Rob is better than Jordan/LeBron. It's obviously not so simple (though Hoary was a boss, for sure).

Russell was interviewed about Wilt over the years and admitted, "Wilt was a better player than me, there was nothing I could do to stop him...."

Wilt was a freak of nature, with a Jordan-like vertical jump 48", the strongest man to ever play in the NBA (and don't even bring up Shaq), one of the only players to ever block Kareem's skyhook and holder of countless records that will never be broken. Nobody will average 50 PPG in a regular season, no center will ever lead the league in assists for one season.

Put Wilt in his prime today and he would be a man among boys with these NBA centers of the modern era.