The USA will inevitably break up, how will it look?

Noyankee wrote:

One side will have guns and welcome all people, the other side will be unarmed racists.

Why would they need guns if all people are welcome?

agip wrote:

The country is unlikely to break up - the federal government is too massively strong to allow that.

Only countries with weak central governments really disintegrate or have civil wars.

More likely the next 30 years are full of constitutional crises as right wingers declare a new policy of ignoring laws out of DC that they don't like.

And there will be disputed presidential elections, more political violence.

And there will be internal migrations reflecting politics. The result will be ever-poorer right wing areas and ever-richer centrist/lefty places.

When trump keels over dead in 10 years a lot of the gas goes out of the right wing violence tank.

10 years? Surely, not that long!

The liberal parts of the country will be all about the indoctrination camps and no free speech. Those that want freedom to disagree and not go with group think and al the propaganda will move to conservative areas that will thrive economically. Pretty simple. The violence will continue to be the liberal areas. It will just become more polarised.

Silly thread. U.S.A. ain't breaking apart.

it’s never going to happen because it doesnt benefit the rich and powerful people who make these decisions…and for other reasons but that’s the main one.

it’s only a small group of poor, uneducated, impotent, misguided fools who believe it’s an option.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

One side will have guns and welcome all people, the other side will be unarmed racists.

Why would they need guns if all people are welcome?

To protect against potential thugs and the State.

^ the above is pretty rich when it’s the current GOP that wants to stifle free speech and doesn’t respect the Constitution that the profess to love. The current GOP hates this country. (I really hate to call it the GOP anymore. It’s nothing like the GOP that my parents were members of. It’s really should be called the party of Trump).

I didn’t take time to read through this thread because the entire premise of it is stupid. It’s not going to happen. What will be interesting to watch is what Texas will do once it’s a blue state. It’s not a matter of if Texas will become blue, it’s a matter of when. My guess is that they’ll gerrymander it as long as they can to protect the electorates but eventually that will no longer work.

As well, for hunting and fun target shooting

I don't think you can compare US states to EU member nations to be honest. European nations are entirely sovereign - there are so many veto agreements that in reality every decision at EU level has to be unanimous. National parliaments need to incorporate EU laws through their legislature rather than it being imposed on them.

Not entirely sovereign.

If I remember correctly EU states need to abide by certain immigration standards among other EU- centric rules. I agree EU states are more autonomous than US states but it’s not that far off. Individual states have some real autonomy when it comes to tax policy, business practice, COVID-19 restrictions and even abortion.

When whites start becoming a minority in this country (by 2045) expect "white flight" to areas not overrun by Hispanics Indians and Chinese. New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont, Idaho, Wyoming, North Dakota etc.

Tons of space in those states.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

durban wrote:

I don't think you can compare US states to EU member nations to be honest. European nations are entirely sovereign - there are so many veto agreements that in reality every decision at EU level has to be unanimous. National parliaments need to incorporate EU laws through their legislature rather than it being imposed on them.

Not entirely sovereign.

If I remember correctly EU states need to abide by certain immigration standards among other EU- centric rules. I agree EU states are more autonomous than US states but it’s not that far off. Individual states have some real autonomy when it comes to tax policy, business practice, COVID-19 restrictions and even abortion.

Also, there are a fair number of “vetoing” US states can do when it comes to the federal government. The recent federal vaccine mandate that was shot down by a number of US states is a recent example.

Noyankee wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Why would they need guns if all people are welcome?

To protect against potential thugs and the State.

But the State will be theirs. And why would you welcome potential thugs?

this is the truth

we are a continental empire, made up of different people and regions

always have been

the federal system is meant to be loose enough to give some autonomy but tight enough to make us one nation.

in 1861 the system failed because of slavery

in the 2020s is there something strong enough to make the system fail?

I doubt it.

I just think the regions/states will assert more power.

The Dems will get tired of being ruled by a minority party and the Rs will get sick of being lectured to by elites and racial minorities.

But that's not enough to split the union.

the third world wrote:

Jerry Maguire wrote:

The South would turn into a 3rd world country very quickly. Truly the cancer of our nation.

Very racist statement. Take your racism elsewhere please.

Not racist, a fact. And how is it racist to say a part of the country run almost entirely by majority whites is going to go broke racist? Unless you mean racist against whites? The south finishing last in education, poverty, health, you name it...all red states?

BTW, the biggest lie ever told is that states like texas would be fine if they broke off. All you libertarians have no idea how much federal spending does to prop up your state and let you live the life you have become accustomed to. How would you like no food inspection? No defense, no roads or bridges or interstate system? No stability afforded to you by the might of the Fed and the full faith backing of the US and A? No Medicare? You would have to do it all yourself, which is incredibly ironic since your core belief is you want to do nothing and never chip in?

Texas and S Carolina need to do a trial separation to see how quickly they go completely broke and realize the USA had something going.

wow!! wrote:

The liberal parts of the country will be all about the indoctrination camps and no free speech. Those that want freedom to disagree and not go with group think and al the propaganda will move to conservative areas that will thrive economically. Pretty simple. The violence will continue to be the liberal areas. It will just become more polarised.

So liberals will all agree because of "indoctrination". So why would they attack one another?

For those that want the "freedom to disagree" what will they be disagreeing with, when there are no liberals where they are? I also wonder how they will "thrive economically" in their greatly shrunken world.

You've really thought this through.

Doubling down on your racism. Classy.

There are no states, let alone regions of the US that have any vast majority of a unified ideology that they would want to separate from the US or do well if they lost the citizens of the minority ideology.

Texas would not do well if they lost the people of Austin and Houston.

California would not do well without those that run agriculture and big business owners. Same with New York.

Florida is way too diverse to solidly go one way.

Even Alabama will have issues if the people of Birmingham leave.

We all seemingly want to live without the people with ideologies that are opposite of ours, but we would all be worse off for it.

The divide in America is not state vs. state. It’s not Republican vs. Democrat. It’s not poor vs. rich.

It’s Rural vs. Urban!

Rural Massachusetts, New York, and California is very different than their urban areas. Just like rural Mississippi, Texas, and Florida is very different than their urban areas.

This is why any short of governmental divide would be so difficult. Each state is divided against itself. If anything I could see rural areas refusing to pay taxes and feed urban areas if our political environment continues. Urban areas though control the dispersing of foreign product. So the rural areas would have to do without cheap Chinese products. Urban areas would become even more dependent on China to support them in any sort of conflict.

A house divided will not stand