Watch out Jager...Chelimo coming through!

...and Keino set world records at 3000m (first guy to break 7:40) and 5000m . Think about it: he won Olympic gold or set WRs in four different events!

Does everyone forget Jager has run 13:02 and 3:32??

Those PRs are insane. Chelimo and him are 1 second apart over 5k and he’s significantly faster over 1500.

Reminder wrote:

Does everyone forget Jager has run 13:02 and 3:32??

Those PRs are insane. Chelimo and him are 1 second apart over 5k and he’s significantly faster over 1500.

He WAS significantly faster. If they both tied the line for a 1500m next weekend you would be a fool to think that Jager would significantly beat Chelimo.

Let it Rupp wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

If Chelimo has any jumping ability, Jager is going to get EXPOSED!!

Yeaaah no, Jager's PR's are faster at every distance. Chelimo running the steeple should be fire tho.

But you see Chelimo has a great kick and titles aren't usually won in 8:00. Slow races are where chelimo would have a big edge on jagerz

pyrz wrote:

Reminder wrote:

Does everyone forget Jager has run 13:02 and 3:32??

Those PRs are insane. Chelimo and him are 1 second apart over 5k and he’s significantly faster over 1500.

He WAS significantly faster. If they both tied the line for a 1500m next weekend you would be a fool to think that Jager would significantly beat Chelimo.

Toed*

What about Stanley Kebenei? He's improving a lot and beat Jagar at this year's national XC championships.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

reed wrote:

debut at Payton Jordan maybe? I'm thinking 8:30ish for a debut, paced by teammates.

Do you know anything about the steeple? He should run under 8:20 and win with ease. He’ll run 8:00 this year without a doubt. It’s a smart move really. Kenyan streepling isn’t as strong as it once was so he can get world championship gold. Whereas in the 5k he has zero chance at gold.

I do in fact know anything about the steeple.

Name somebody whose debut steeple was under 8:20. I'll wait here.

Les wrote:

Great performance by Keino. Ben Jipcho did him one better when he won the Steeple, 5K and finished third in the 1500 at the Commonwealth Games in 1974.

Different era though. In the pro era the steeple just doesn't have the cachet (and thus the money) that the flat races do. Jenny Simpson (former American steeple record holder) said it would take $5M for her to go back to the steeple. She was kidding, but not completely. Nowadays, runners turn to the steeple only if they can't make it in a flat event. Jager, for example, wasn't going to make it as a 1500m runner because of his lack of a kick so he turned to the steeple.

It's not just nowadays that runners turn to the steeple only if they can't make it in a flat event -- John Walker said as much in the 70s. It may be true in some sense, but the fact is that steeplechase requires ability that most runners lack. Jager could probably make it as a 5000 runner, but he has the right combination of attributes that make him an incredible steeplechaser.

There are quite a few US guys who can run 3:35/13:20 or thereabouts. Why don't they all switch to steeplechase?

Jager could be a professional at 5k but he couldn't be a World /Olympic medalist for the same reason he couldn't make it at 1500m -- he lacks a kick. Even in the steeple, the most typical scenario for a Jager loss is him leading at the bell, only to be outkicked. He's plenty strong and has superior technique which means he's never dropped but on the last lap there's usually at least one guy who can outkick him.

With Farah retired from the track Chelimo has as good a chance at 5k gold as anyone.

Am I the only one who thinks Chelimo is trolling? No chance he goes to the steeple

New sheriff wrote:

As rumors have swirled about this fit the last few months, it appears that it's true. Paul Chelimo will be adding the steeple to his repertoire.

https://instagram.com/p/BiFSBGCBHns/

Well, with his unfettered PED use (look at his stagnation for years, please) allowed for political reasons, he may emerge as a force in the event. However, his punk attitude may see him fouling up in other ways.

pyrz wrote:

Reminder wrote:

Does everyone forget Jager has run 13:02 and 3:32??

Those PRs are insane. Chelimo and him are 1 second apart over 5k and he’s significantly faster over 1500.

He WAS significantly faster. If they both tied the line for a 1500m next weekend you would be a fool to think that Jager would significantly beat Chelimo.

True. EPO is a helluva drug. Look what it did for Chelimo after he couldn't improve for years like the guy mentioned. There is no other explanation.

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Who's that hurdling with him? They both have great hurdle form.

jiiaf wrote:

Hank Rono was about as good a runner as Chelimo and he ran 8:05.

I've never heard of Hank Rono, so I'm sure that Chelimo can run faster then that.

So what's your name and PR then, dweeb?

Or are you just going to keep alluding to being fast to relive the glory days....

reed wrote:

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Do you know anything about the steeple? He should run under 8:20 and win with ease. He’ll run 8:00 this year without a doubt. It’s a smart move really. Kenyan streepling isn’t as strong as it once was so he can get world championship gold. Whereas in the 5k he has zero chance at gold.

I do in fact know anything about the steeple.

Name somebody whose debut steeple was under 8:20. I'll wait here.

RE: Watch out Jager...Chelimo coming through! 4/28/2018 6:09PM - in reply to reed

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So what's your name and PR then, dweeb?

Or are you just going to keep alluding to being fast to relive the glory days....

The steeple isn't sexy. Just like the marathon isn't.

Most runners exhaust all their ability at their desired event / the more competitive event, and only then, switch to another event.

So, most 3:35/13:20 guys DON'T WANT to run the steeple, they want to be 15/5 guys and will keep trying to breakthrough.

Our second-best steepler for a long time was Don Cabral who was as mediocre of a professional runner as they come.

Are we talking about likely drug cheat Evan Jager?