doping ousters anonymous - alpha 1 wrote:
You’d be pissed because you’re guilty.
Lol nobody innocent would be concerned about “wasting resources”. That’s the phrase crime lords cry out to police.
No it's not, its the phrase fiscally responsible citizens use. You must be a socialist who thinks the government has unlimited money and can solve all your problems.
Have you actually taken 30 seconds to research his past running exploits before he became massive?
Lisa Radley wrote:
clean up the top first wrote:
Whether it is right or wrong is not really the point. The drugs testers and the testing system have precious little resources as it is and I don't want to see them wasting their time testing someone running 2 h 30 + for a marathon because the money being stolen for such a performance will be next to nothing. I want to see the testers going after the elites first who are stealing millions of dollars from the sport _that's where the real problem lies.
Who, like Paul Radcliffe?
Well that would be a good place to start. Combined with some sort of prison sentence this would send a clear message that breaking the rules will result in a harsh punishment being inflicted.
I had been a keen and quite successful runner in my earlier years, but by the time I had hit my 28th birthday I'd had enough and hung my trainers for what I thought would be for good.
I began a weight training programme over the next couple of decades which I maintained until today. Some things I have adapted slightly over the years, but I still follow the same basic exercise plan. I like to be in control of myself so whatever successes or failures that I may or may not achieve would fall firmly upon myself.
18 years later I started jogging again to lose a little bit of weight and gain some much needed fitness. I acquired an entry for the 2012 London Marathon and set myself a goal of breaking the 3 hour barrier. I trained well for the race a managed to run 2hrs 59mins 30secs.
12 months later I again stood on the start line of The London Marathon. I had trained a little harder this year and dropped a little bit of body weight. Not much, but I thought every little would help. I finished the 2013 race in 2hrs 47mins 42secs. Nearly a 12 minute improvement; I was becoming once more hooked on running and the feel of being fit.
2014 came and once again I ran the London Marathon. My training and diet had been much stricter this year. 5 weeks before the race I ran a half marathon and to be honest I was 2 mins slower than what I had wanted. The following day, for some reason I attempted to get out of bed and I discovered a pain at the base of my right shin. I couldn’t run for the next 3 weeks, the 3 most important weeks of a marathon training programme. Fortunately 2 weeks before the race the pain had subsided enough for me to begin running at precisely the time that I should start easing down. I had 7 good days training and then 7 days off to ease down before the marathon.
I ran 2hrs 43mins 2secs. I was pleased as I suffered no pain at all during the race, so no complaints at all.
In August of 2014, my son Ben text me to say that the 2015 London Marathon was to be held on April 26th. This date was significant for me as it was to be 9 days after my 50th birthday. Over the next few weeks a plan began form in my mind. The plan was for me to go and win the over 50's race at the 2015 Virgin London Marathon.
By mid-September I started my build up for the 2015 race. I had to be honest with myself, the most important thing for me do was to lose some serious weight. It's no good buying the most expensive lightweight racing shoes that money can buy if I was 8-10kg overweight.
I decided that for every 1kg of body weight that I could lose I would run 2 minutes faster over the marathon distance.
I began a strict diet, and began to put down a serious base for my 12 week specific marathon build up which would begin in the middle of January. I decided on the standard 1 long run per week starting off at 16miles, so by the time Christmas arrived I would be comfortably able to run a 20mile run at a decent pace. One or two repetition sessions per week depending on my shifts at work. I needed to be able to comfortably run mile repetitions at 5.20 mile pace and half mile repetitions at 5.00 pace. This would enable me to run long distances at a much faster pace than usual. I needed to make my steady run pace much faster than I was used to and that is exactly what this repetition training did.
After the new year, it really was time to get serious. My bodyweight began to drop and as a result of this my fitness accelerated and my overall training speed began to exceed what I was aiming for.
An example of a weeks training in my specific 12 week :
Sunday 20-24 miles at 6.20-30 pace
Monday 6 miles easy at 7.00 pace
Tuesday 6 x 1mile ( 1 min rec) at 5.09-10 pace
Wednesday 10 miles at 6.30 pace
Thursday 8-10 x 800m (45 secs- 1 min rec) in 2.28-30
Friday 12 miles at 6.15 pace
Saturday 10miles at 6.25 pace
Some weeks were slightly easier, some weeks slightly harder.
Some weeks I would run 4 x 2mile ( 90 secs rec) in 10m 40secs instead of 6x1m, and some weeks I might run 8 x 1k. A lot depended on the weather and my shifts at work.
I was still weight training 4-5 times per week but with much reduced weight. I stopped all leg weight exercise on January 1st. I needed my legs to be fresh for running.
I ran a 10k in February in 32m 24secs and then a half marathon 5 weeks out from London in 71mins 37secs. After the half marathon I ran my 3 hardest weeks training before a 10 day ease down to prepare for the race.
I travelled down to London on 24th April, 2 days before race day to stay with my so Ben at his flat in Wimbledon.
My training had gone to plan and I was ready for the race
maffeboner wrote:
at that age, it's impossible to have that much muscle without assistance. at any age, it's impossible to get popped traps and delts like that without assistance. lol.
This. The delts are the giveaway. He is 100% on roids, and anyone familiar with natural bodybuilding versus chemically assisted bodybuilding would know this guy is using upon first glance.
Still, impressive that he puts in the training necessary to run this well.
no YOURE hilarious wrote:
doping ousters anonymous - alpha 1 wrote:
You’d be pissed because you’re guilty.
Lol nobody innocent would be concerned about “wasting resources”. That’s the phrase crime lords cry out to police.
No it's not, its the phrase fiscally responsible citizens use. You must be a socialist who thinks the government has unlimited money and can solve all your problems.
Ooooh we have another one., the guilty are coming out on this thread. Making far fetched arguments is a trait of the guilty. Who said that it has to come from the government? And how this is my problem? Hahaha.
I'm in it for the entertainment. It's incredibly entertaining for me to witness any guilty a$$ psychopath like yourself getting lynched for being a narcissistic douche by the grassroots initiative from me and my alphas.
Please tell me why we should spend 1 cent catching this guy. What is gained from it? Do you understand the concept of a cost-benefit analysis?
doping ousters anonymous - alpha 1 wrote:
I'm in it for the entertainment. It's incredibly entertaining for me to witness any guilty a$$ psychopath like yourself getting lynched for being a narcissistic douche by the grassroots initiative from me and my alphas.
You really have the gall to call others psychopaths? Look in the mirror. There is something wrong with you.
The Voice of Wisdom wrote:
maffeboner wrote:
at that age, it's impossible to have that much muscle without assistance. at any age, it's impossible to get popped traps and delts like that without assistance. lol.
This. The delts are the giveaway. He is 100% on roids, and anyone familiar with natural bodybuilding versus chemically assisted bodybuilding would know this guy is using upon first glance.
Still, impressive that he puts in the training necessary to run this well.
I'm curious - would the dietary supplement creatine produce very muscular delts like that? I lift regularly and don't use creatine but have talked to guys at the gym with big delts, traps, biceps, etc., who say they use creatine. One guy in particular told me that with the right creatine, nutrition & weight training program you can get a near looking steroid body. I know creatine is also used like crazy with college football players.
no YOURE hilarious wrote:
No it's not, its the phrase fiscally responsible citizens use. You must be a socialist who thinks the government has unlimited money and can solve all your problems.
They must have unlimited money because governments waste so damn much!
Having seen this guy for real he is big for such a fast runner but not as big as he looks in these pics. Also please remember he is shredded, which makes you look bigger in pictures etc.
Very talented runner, who knows how good he could have been, the muscle probably helps defy ageing effect too!
Thermiz wrote:
Having seen this guy for real he is big for such a fast runner but not as big as he looks in these pics. Also please remember he is shredded, which makes you look bigger in pictures etc.
Very talented runner, who knows how good he could have been, the muscle probably helps defy ageing effect too!
I don't know about that...the legendary Ed Whitlock was ~112 lbs on a 5-7 frame and never lifted upper body at all. At 5-7/155, GG would dwarf Whitlock! And the average World-class top elite marathoner is now a paltry 124 lbs: ?
https://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/the-incredible-shrinking-marathonerLots of pennies...
1. Muscle pics of an athlete running can be misleading.
2. Muscle mass can be maintained as a distance runner. But most elites don't carry the upper body mass for performance reasons outside of Webb and Cabral. Cabral has ridiculous lats for a steepler. Men in their 50s and 60s can build and maintain muscle. Most men just choose not to or have let their bodies decay for so long it's impossible. I'm in my mid 40s and am more jacked than 90 percent of guys at my gym. I've just never let myself go for too long.
3. I can't therefore they can't beliefs. Genetic freaks are what they are. My dad never went to the gym in his life but was jacked well into his late 60s just from good old fashioned farm work. His vascularity and body fat was off the charts on a meat, potatoes, veggies, and occasional fruit diet.
4. Haters. A lot of people are gonna hate because they can never be that. See number 3. Some people in my high school thought I might be on roids because I was jacked and they weren't, but they didn't go to the gym three times a week at 6AM during the winter.
5. Everyman. Some people really are humble but they understand their gift. Others fake it to cover up narcissism or PEDs. Meb is really sincere while some other athletes I've met aren't
6. Social Media. Social media casts a light on people from far flung areas that we may not have known before and distorts reality. 25 years ago, hardly anyone outside of the UK would have heard of this guy.
7. Aging and PEDs. This is very real in our sport. Suspicion of masters athletes in my area runs rampant for a few reasons: proximity to the borders, keeping up with Jones's , massive differences between younger PRs and AGPs, and wild swings of body composition and performance within a year or two. If I was MANIACAL, I could probably achieve 90% AGP for middle distance times. Alas, I'm not but I do like competing and testing myself. Hats off to the masters athletes who can train like a full level elite. I like beer, hamburgers, and other unhealthy food too much.
8. USA vs UK. I don't think either country has much of a leg to stand on when it comes to PEDs in sports and the moral high ground.
9. I'm withholding judgement on this guy.
The Voice of Wisdom wrote:
maffeboner wrote:
at that age, it's impossible to have that much muscle without assistance. at any age, it's impossible to get popped traps and delts like that without assistance. lol.
This. The delts are the giveaway. He is 100% on roids, and anyone familiar with natural bodybuilding versus chemically assisted bodybuilding would know this guy is using upon first glance.
Still, impressive that he puts in the training necessary to run this well.
He is not "big", let alone "huge", although his body proportions, body mass, and shred are shocking for a 50-something distance runner.
Judging solely by his appearance, he either has some sort of medical anomaly, or he is using, or both.
Judging solely by his performance and rate of improvement, he might be using.
Judging by his performance relative to his body development, he either has some sort of medical anomaly, or he is using, or both.
In my world (CLEAN), you cannot simultaneously put in the mileage required to be able to run a seriously good thon (say above 90% age-graded if you are masters), and retain that type of muscle mass and body proportions. At any age, the two requirements are mutually exclusive. At 50+ they are even more so unless T is still incredibly high.
I knew a girl like this once--huge, absolutely shredded, and pretty fast on the track. She took no PED's, although she was taking some anti-PED-type drugs IIRC to minimize the effects of the condition she had.
One thing is for sure, both this guy's physical appearance and his thon performance are not solely the result of high-quality training upon a normal physiology--if it was, that's how all you guys would look.
He's so out there, you would think that he would have been tested at some point, if not on several occasions. Does he run track and compete at any master meets where there is testing?
My money is on some sort of medical/genetic/chromosomal anomaly. He's just way too out there, and looks too much like that girl (clean) I once knew.
Just Passing By wrote:
The Voice of Wisdom wrote:
This. The delts are the giveaway. He is 100% on roids, and anyone familiar with natural bodybuilding versus chemically assisted bodybuilding would know this guy is using upon first glance.
Still, impressive that he puts in the training necessary to run this well.
I'm curious - would the dietary supplement creatine produce very muscular delts like that? I lift regularly and don't use creatine but have talked to guys at the gym with big delts, traps, biceps, etc., who say they use creatine. One guy in particular told me that with the right creatine, nutrition & weight training program you can get a near looking steroid body. I know creatine is also used like crazy with college football players.
Of course not. If you don't possess a natural long-distance runner's physique, you don't get to run fast over long distance. Natural selection breeds this result.
"I like beer, hamburgers, and other unhealthy food too much."
See, beer and burgers are just as healthy as anything else if you really like them, because happiness is a HUGE and IMO underestimated dimension of health (emotional health).
mmmmmmmmm, beer.............
Good post. Like you, I withhold judgment on this guy.
Anyone see that some UK masterchef contestant died in London?
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Anyone see that some UK masterchef contestant died in London?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/23/masterchef-contestant-london-marathon-runner-matt-campbell-29-dies-after-collapsing-in-record-breaking-heat
Sad, but goes against the myth that veganism is protective against coronary disease.
Diminutive Dynasties wrote:
Thermiz wrote:
Having seen this guy for real he is big for such a fast runner but not as big as he looks in these pics. Also please remember he is shredded, which makes you look bigger in pictures etc.
Very talented runner, who knows how good he could have been, the muscle probably helps defy ageing effect too!
I don't know about that...the legendary Ed Whitlock was ~112 lbs on a 5-7 frame and never lifted upper body at all. At 5-7/155, GG would dwarf Whitlock! And the average World-class top elite marathoner is now a paltry 124 lbs: ?
https://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/the-incredible-shrinking-marathoner
So Green only carries 40 lbs of muscle not necessary for the marathon.
Any video footage of Graham Green running? His running form may "clear" him.
Not convinced his is not on something. If he has been in gyms 20+ years he has been around dopers of some variety.