In NYC's public school league (psal) outdoor practices are prohibited when the weather is very hot or very cold. I'm not going to get sued or lose a pension by conducting a practice.
In NYC's public school league (psal) outdoor practices are prohibited when the weather is very hot or very cold. I'm not going to get sued or lose a pension by conducting a practice.
coach wrote:
In NYC's public school league (psal) outdoor practices are prohibited when the weather is very hot or very cold. I'm not going to get sued or lose a pension by conducting a practice.
You don't work for NYC public schools, because if you did you'd know it's almost impossible to get fired for any reason
Discus Morans wrote:
It obviously comes down to liability, anybody who doesn’t realize that is either trolling or not very bright.
If the school has made the decision that it is unsafe for people to travel to the school that day, it is done so for reason. This would indicate that they also feel it is unsafe for student athletes to travel to the school and/or another nearby location to practice.
This is not rocket science.
This is not rocket sciences either...see below:
http://ddragonspirit.com/Portals/0/SnowTraining1.jpgIt ain't 1975 is exactly the point. It should be. Too many have surrendered to ideologies that have nothing to do common sense, patriotism, love of country and sport. It is all about control and when decisions seem wrong, they probably are. The vast mass of brain-dead, brainwashed snow flakes cancel out the votes of the heart of the country.
Back in the 1975 era, if it was -15 F or colder we didn't run outside. Of course, I live in Canada, but we are really not all that different except we haven't given it all up yet but we are not far behind you. Parents walk their young kids to school which is at most 3 blocks away and come back for them when they get out. No free range fun. Got more stitches in me than a rag doll, but I learned a lesson from every stitch. And yes I was a track coach for almost 30 years and ran with them at every practice. You had to to keep warm....in my 60 years of running competitively, I ind runners on a team gain huge advantages that helps the civil society maintain a healthy environment.
Liability is always a means to control you. You must take responsibility. And if you are more worried about your job and your pension, I pity the advice you would dish out in practice that is approved
What I don't particularly like, and never have liked, is when someone at the top of an organisation makes a generalised decision like this.
If I'm a kid who lives one block away from the school and know I can get there safely. And if the coach does a risk assessment of the track and finds it's ok to run on, and he's willing to turn up and coach me, then why am I being stopped from doing that?
You can be sure the school principal hasn't checked my route to school or the track yet they're imposing this decision on me to my detriment. There's no benefit to anyone in this decision.
macdaddy wrote:
YESSSSSSS. This is the answer.
You absolutely cannot have a practice - mandatory or voluntary - when school is cancelled due to weather. Voluntary or not... when someone slips and breaks their ankle and no coach is around, you are putting a student in serious danger.
You CAN absolutely say: "Today's workout was (insert). If you have a treadmill or somewhere safe to attempt this workout, please do so. Will see you all tomorrow"
Common sense here folks.
As a Norwegian, this is the most ridiculous thing I've read. Putting a student in serious danger? Give me a break. A so called "prayer" to all you americans having to deal with these kinds of snowflakes taking ova.
malmo wrote:
coach wrote:
In NYC's public school league (psal) outdoor practices are prohibited when the weather is very hot or very cold. I'm not going to get sued or lose a pension by conducting a practice.
You don't work for NYC public schools, because if you did you'd know it's almost impossible to get fired for any reason
Malmo. Look up the rules on their website. A principal might not be able to remove a teacher easily but the department higher ups love nothing more than finding a way to save money.
I have been coaching for many decades. Most of my career I was a head coach, but now I like the much more uncomplicated life as an assistant. For many years coaches weren't questioned on how they guided their ship. It's a different world now and if one wants to remain a coach one must obey the rules set forth by the school's administrators. It doesn't matter how dedicated one is and how one is perceived by the athletes and the parents. It's difficult if not impossible to remain if one doesn't understand the rules set forth. Many of things which I did in the past, not giving a thought about, I would never do nowadays.
Snowflakez wrote:
As a Norwegian, this is the most ridiculous thing I've read. Putting a student in serious danger? Give me a break. A so called "prayer" to all you americans having to deal with these kinds of snowflakes taking ova.
No Norwegian would ever use the term Snowflake as an insult. You are not a Norwegian. You are a liar.
Snowflakez wrote:
macdaddy wrote:
YESSSSSSS. This is the answer.
You absolutely cannot have a practice - mandatory or voluntary - when school is cancelled due to weather. Voluntary or not... when someone slips and breaks their ankle and no coach is around, you are putting a student in serious danger.
You CAN absolutely say: "Today's workout was (insert). If you have a treadmill or somewhere safe to attempt this workout, please do so. Will see you all tomorrow"
Common sense here folks.
As a Norwegian, this is the most ridiculous thing I've read. Putting a student in serious danger? Give me a break. A so called "prayer" to all you americans having to deal with these kinds of snowflakes taking ova.
Uhh.. yes.. in serious danger...
I had an athlete slip on ice and break her ankle this winter two miles away from school. If I was not there (with my phone), she would have been absolutely screwed. We had to wait for at least 15 minutes while another coach (sprints coach) borrowed a car from the driver's ed department and came to pick us up. The girl was violently screaming and writhing in pain - the other runners in complete shock asking "Are you OK?". LOL - yeah she's great... Please, please, please tell me how this situation ends if there is no coach around and the girls didn't have a phone with them (which 99.99% of the time they don't). It ends with me fired and the school getting sued. Pass.
BTW... for those who don't understand liability... one of the track coaches had to get a driver's ed car to come pick us up because we aren't allowed to have athletes in our cars.
Now.. don't get me wrong - if school is in session and I'm at practice, we are running outside no matter what - whether that's -20 degree weather or a blizzard. I've even disobeyed the AD who told me it was too cold to go outside, but, when school is cancelled because the district decides it's too dangerous for students to come in, I'm not going to bite the hand that feeds me. There are rules for a reason.
George Smith wrote:
And if you are more worried about your job and your pension, I pity the advice you would dish out in practice that is approved
WOW
Am I more worried about my job, my family's well-being and my athletes' well-being or am I more worried about getting a practice in? Are you effin kidding me?
This is one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read LOL
Uhh.. yes.. in serious danger...
I had an athlete slip on ice and break her ankle this winter two miles away from school. If I was not there (with my phone), she would have been absolutely screwed. We had to wait for at least 15 minutes while another coach (sprints coach) borrowed a car from the driver's ed department and came to pick us up. The girl was violently screaming and writhing in pain - the other runners in complete shock asking "Are you OK?". LOL - yeah she's great... Please, please, please tell me how this situation ends if there is no coach around and the girls didn't have a phone with them (which 99.99% of the time they don't). It ends with me fired and the school getting sued. Pass.
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Wait hang on....... you had a phone... were with a girl with a broken ankle and called an assistant to get a drivers ed car which you then transported her in. And it hurt so bad she screamed for all 15 minutes? WhyTF did you not just call 911????
And no she would not have been screwed if you were not there to be her white knight will your precious cell phone. DO you think everyone who got hurt prior to 2000 dies on the side of the road.... give me a freaking break
mussibini wrote:
Wait hang on....... you had a phone... were with a girl with a broken ankle and called an assistant to get a drivers ed car which you then transported her in. And it hurt so bad she screamed for all 15 minutes? WhyTF did you not just call 911????
And no she would not have been screwed if you were not there to be her white knight will your precious cell phone. DO you think everyone who got hurt prior to 2000 dies on the side of the road.... give me a freaking break
Use your brain - it's an ankle, not a heart. What is 911 going to do versus an athletic trainer? Cost the family hundreds of dollars... that's what. We had a wheelchair and her parents waiting for her at the school as we pulled up - it was the right call.
I'm not calling myself a white knight by any means... you should have seen my hands shaking as I dialed for help. Never been around a bloodcurdling scream like that before.
Point is... if school was closed and there were no coaches/staff around to help or phones to call for help... this is a dangerous situation. That is unarguable. Freezing cold weather, broken bones, no communication and teenagers making decisions - please explain to me what you're not understanding. Or, at the very least, explain to me what these girls would have done with no cell phone, 2 miles away from school... get into a car with a stranger? LOL!)
Welcome to the real world.
antiestablishment wrote:
What I don't particularly like, and never have liked, is when someone at the top of an organisation makes a generalised decision like this.
If I'm a kid who lives one block away from the school and know I can get there safely. And if the coach does a risk assessment of the track and finds it's ok to run on, and he's willing to turn up and coach me, then why am I being stopped from doing that?
You can be sure the school principal hasn't checked my route to school or the track yet they're imposing this decision on me to my detriment. There's no benefit to anyone in this decision.
Another moron. All decisions need to be made with everyone in mind in situations such as this. So your one block trek gets no more weight than the kid who's got a couple of miles to go. There's benefit to everyone in this decision.
Please. Don't breed.
Use your brain - it's an ankle, not a heart.
Yes but you then picked her up and drove her yourself in the car...... if you did more damage THEN you'd be screwed
They could stop a stranger and ask for help yes... Despite what you see on the evening news the world is actually a safer place. They would have problem solved, gone to a nearby house or business, flagged down a car hell I don't know. The same thing you or I would have done when we grew up.....
I'm from a rival high school, and I spent four years competing against Coach Myer and his athletes. Everyone involved with the program is a class act, and he's developed some great runners. We all understand how snow days can ruin a season if you don't try to train through them. The fact of the matter is, you have to show a shred of resilience, suck it up, and get out there. I've come to learn that lesson even more thoroughly since I've come to college in upstate New York, where I'm training in subzero temperatures a lot of days during the winter.
It would be nice if administrators would let coaches coach their teams. Coach Myer has proven in his two decades of going above and beyond for the Wilson School District that he knows what he's doing, and it's a slap in the face to now suspend him for simply giving his athletes the opportunity to show up and get better. He's also a hell of an AP Calc teacher who contributes to his school in a variety of ways. It was a real shame to see this, because though we were rivals I've always had a ton of respect for him and his team.
Not that hard wrote:
Free advice: Don't break the rules!
If someone were DQ'd from the 110m hurdles for running around them, nobody would defend them.
In my state, a team and coach will be severely penalized for: having practice too early in the morning, having practice too late in the evening, any coaching contact out of season, practicing on a Sunday, practicing more than 3 hours per day, practicing if the heat index is over 100°F or wind-chill too cold, requiring any make-up practice for an event or practice that was missed for any academic or medical reason. So it's really not that much more effort to comply with the district if they cancel practice for one day.
We didn't have early or late practice, but did everything else.
Voluntary practice started July 5. Season started August 1.
Practiced 6 Sundays in XC season.
A two a day plus drills, lifting would be 3 hours. 6 times in August.
Absolutely temp 0F. Wearing sweatshirts and sweat pants.
Heat index 100+F. Water stops every two miles.
Snow day, meet at 10am at school for practice.
Runners would skip practice for a variety of reasons (vacation, church, no ride) and it was never a big deal. It was funny when the coach wasn't allowed to time you yet, and he would drive along and ask your pace on July tempo runs.
Not that hard wrote:
Free advice: Don't break the rules!
You should see the ncaa rules on practice. If they were fully followed to the intent, 30:00 would win NCAA and 32:00 would be all American.
What part of Norway? wrote:
Snowflakez wrote:
As a Norwegian, this is the most ridiculous thing I've read. Putting a student in serious danger? Give me a break. A so called "prayer" to all you americans having to deal with these kinds of snowflakes taking ova.
No Norwegian would ever use the term Snowflake as an insult. You are not a Norwegian. You are a liar.
"No Norwegian would ever write in english, the fact that you're writing in here means you're not Norwegian"
Give me a break.
"Taking ova" should be a hint to you what my nationality is.
Part of Norway: I live in the tunnels below Bislett, hammering 502m intervals day and night.
