Huh? 78 year old Brit stabs and kills intruder in his own house and is arrested for murder

Count Chocula wrote:

Sometimes the police arrest people on suspicion of committing a crime and then after investigating, they determine that a crime has not been committed. That's how the criminal justice system works in a democratic society.

Americans don't understand because over there, being arrested is pretty much the same as going to prison.

It's a done deal if the cops think you are guilty.

elviejo wrote:

"He was initially arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm but re-arrested on suspicion of murder. He was in custody at a south London police today."

Y'all think that's OK? He's in custody for defending himself. I don't know the laws in England but in the USA the police have to have PROBABLE CAUSE to arrest you. They don't and can't go around arresting people just on the chance they might have committed a crime.

Yes I think they call that a dead body in your house.

If the intruder was a person of color then it is obviously a hate crime.

DiscoGary wrote:

semenyagoat wrote:

Americans arent clever enough to understand how the justice system works.

Well you Brits better familiarize yourselves with Sharia Law because I'm betting most of you don't know how your future justice system is going to work.

https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/sharia.aspx

You're boring mate.

This is part and parcel of living in the big city - get used to it.

In Minnesota, late 2012 a man tied up, interrogated then executed to young intruders. He left their remains in his home for a few days. If I recall the male homeowner was convicted on two murder counts.

All force must be justified. If one owns a 1000 acre ranch, illegal squatters cannot be legally executed. If your home sits on a 1/4 acre plot, same principle. It's not legal to kill trespassers. One must articulate a threat in order to use deadly force.

Let's discover all the facts wrote:

In Minnesota, late 2012 a man tied up, interrogated then executed to young intruders. He left their remains in his home for a few days. If I recall the male homeowner was convicted on two murder counts.

All force must be justified. If one owns a 1000 acre ranch, illegal squatters cannot be legally executed. If your home sits on a 1/4 acre plot, same principle. It's not legal to kill trespassers. One must articulate a threat in order to use deadly force.

Not sure why even bring that up because it's not the same at all. Tying them up implies he was safe when he killed them. A 78 year old vs 2 male intruders with weapons has no reason to consider himself save and really has no choice but to submit himself or go for the jugular.

I do not know all the facts. I assume you do not know all the facts. How many times was the intruder stabbed/slashed with knife? Was the intruder stabbed/slashed after he was unconscious? Let's discover all the facts. Military personnel do not have the right to murder wounded men/women/children. Home owners do not have the right to murder a wounded intruder.

I hope robots are nice wrote:

The threat is past wrote:

You would be wrong. You are more likely to be charged for murder and sued if the intruder survives.

I'm no lawyer but something tells me that's not true

You never want to wound the intruder. Killing the SOB is the best thing to do. If you hurt him then you will get sued. There are attorneys that look for that sort of thing.

In Texas, if the intruder is on your property (outside, trying to break in or messing with your car) then you will probably not be arrested for killing him. If the intruder is inside the house then you definitely won't be arrested. The case may go to a grand jury which will ultimately no bill it.

You can even defend your neighbor's property by killing a suspected intruder without fear of being arrested. Reasoning is that the crook is typically targeting the neighborhood.

Flounder wrote:

I hope robots are nice wrote:

I'm no lawyer but something tells me that's not true

You never want to wound the intruder. Killing the SOB is the best thing to do. If you hurt him then you will get sued. There are attorneys that look for that sort of thing.

In Texas, if the intruder is on your property (outside, trying to break in or messing with your car) then you will probably not be arrested for killing him. If the intruder is inside the house then you definitely won't be arrested. The case may go to a grand jury which will ultimately no bill it.

You can even defend your neighbor's property by killing a suspected intruder without fear of being arrested. Reasoning is that the crook is typically targeting the neighborhood.

Obviously not. If you finish off a wounded intruder so that you "don't get sued" forensics will almost certainly work it out and you will go to jail for murdering a man trying to escape your house.

Semenyagoat wrote:

Americans too stupid to understand the judical system. Also the existence of various countries with different laws and norms from the usa seems to be unknown and not understood

These are inconsistent criticisms. Are they failing to understand "the" judicial system? Or the British judicial system?

Posters here are correct that these arrests would not be legal in the United States, so they understand their own system pretty well. Considering they very close relationship between the US and UK legal systems, it's reasonable to be surprised, even if the explanation is that this is one area where there is a difference.

Flounder wrote:

In Texas,

You can even defend your neighbor's property by killing a suspected intruder without fear of being arrested. Reasoning is that the crook is typically targeting the neighborhood.

That is too ridiculous to be true. A guest you let into your home could be gunned down with impunity by your paranoid neighbor? Not even in Texas.

The Brits on this board must understand that virtually all facets of US jurisprudence have their origins in British common law, especially that of the British Enlightenment. The US has simply not swung as far leftward as have the British, gradually and consistently since the middle of the nineteenth century. Don't get me wrong, we love ya' but you seem to be able unable to defend your interests well and seem periodically within a hairsbreadth of going under since you started that swing away from your revolutionary roots.

Creeping Sharia and lack of the self confidence needed to defend your great history and values are your newest existential muddle.

The case we're discussing, a simple case of self defense, is one such example.

People can get convicted of murder in the US as well - this guy basically set up a trap to get the kid in his garage and then cornered him so he couldn't escape and shot him but then failed with the "stand your ground" defense. Yes the kid shouldn't have been stealing beer but as previous posters said most US laws doesn't allow you to kill someone who is stealing from you but only in cases where you feel your life is being threatened as well. You can stand your ground but if the other guy is fleeing the law says to let him go.

Let's discover all the facts wrote:

. Military personnel do not have the right to murder wounded men/women/children.

Incorrect.

Is Farah's brother at it again?

Disgusting how Islamic crime is ravaging the UK.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/323416/Mo-Farah-s-jailbird-brother-who-vowed-to-go-straight-is-caged-again

[quote]jmano wrote:

I think in most states in America if an intruder is in your house at night and you shoot him dead, that would be ok.

Well, unless you are black.

Legal Beagle Smiegel wrote:

Creeping Sharia and lack of the self confidence needed to defend your great history and values are your newest existential muddle.

Sharia in action

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Bad Wigins wrote:

Flounder wrote:

In Texas,

You can even defend your neighbor's property by killing a suspected intruder without fear of being arrested. Reasoning is that the crook is typically targeting the neighborhood.

That is too ridiculous to be true. A guest you let into your home could be gunned down with impunity by your paranoid neighbor? Not even in Texas.

In Texas, this is true.