Was not Pre's 30-40 workout to fatigue/ exhaustion?
Was not Pre's 30-40 workout to fatigue/ exhaustion?
Running quarters at 65 seconds a rep till you cannot run 65 seconds anymore isn't really running to failure. Goodluck pushing your body to the point that it can no longer run anymore.
Local muscular fatigue is not the same as cardiovascular fatigue
Alan
Weight training to fatigue, also known as metabolite training, produces suboptimal results. It's okay as an occasional variation but there's better ways to see results.
The same can be said about running
Is it necessary to train to failure in weight training? These folks ask just that
Luv2Run wrote:
Is it necessary to train to failure in weight training? These folks ask just that
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4731492/
It depends on your goal.
Are you a powerlifter trying to lift as much weight as possible? Then yes you need to go to failure as your sport requires it.
Are you a bodybuilder trying to breakdown and rebuild muscle tissue? Then yes you have to provide an overload stimulus by going to failure and beyond.
Are you just trying to increase the strength of your muscles in order to become a better athlete? Then no you don’t need to. It’s all about making progress. Lift with 1-2 reps in the hole and make progress by adding weight as the current weight gets easier.
Alan
Isn't a VO2max test essentially this?
Training to failure with other exercises is normally for hypertrophy. It's also not really advisable. Strength and running fast are in part skills, why train them badly. I don't practise guitar to failure but I've definitely played so much I couldn't play as well from that point. It's bad to practise at that point.
Cottonshirt wrote:
A variation when training for a shorter mile race...
I find it interesting that you have mile races of different lengths.
cheers.
I was referring to a Frank Shorter mile. It is the same distance as a whole mile.
Kind of like racing but not quite wrote:
I don't think it would be smart to do intervals to failure but I have used a progression run to failure that that got me in great shape for mile to 5k races.
I call it the stress test workout.
Start at an easy pace on the treadmill. Increase the pace .5 mph every minute. After 3 miles, increase the pace every 30 seconds. Keep doing this until you can't go any longer.
This workout really isn't that hard to recover from. I would do it on a wednesday and race on saturday. The reason it is easy to recover from is that you are only running hard the last mile and the workout is short in duration. It also prepares you mentally for the end of the race. I would do this workout every couple weeks.
A variation when training for a shorter mile race would to be at some point increase the pace every 15 seconds. The result of doing this would be your pace at the end is faster but the duration is shorter.
And how long do you manage to keep going?
If you start at 10 min/mile pace you're at 15mph ie 4 min/mile pace by 3 miles, 18 mins in. You keep going for how long after that exactly?
Trevelyan Harper wrote:
Isn't a VO2max test essentially this?
Training to failure with other exercises is normally for hypertrophy. It's also not really advisable. Strength and running fast are in part skills, why train them badly. I don't practise guitar to failure but I've definitely played so much I couldn't play as well from that point. It's bad to practise at that point.
It is and so is any race. A very long
time ago that is what training consisted of: all out runs of varying distances.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
It depends on your goal.
Are you a powerlifter trying to lift as much weight as possible? Then yes you need to go to failure as your sport requires it.
Are you a bodybuilder trying to breakdown and rebuild muscle tissue? Then yes you have to provide an overload stimulus by going to failure and beyond.
Are you just trying to increase the strength of your muscles in order to become a better athlete? Then no you don’t need to. It’s all about making progress. Lift with 1-2 reps in the hole and make progress by adding weight as the current weight gets easier.
Alan
Say what? The powerlifters I know all advise against going to failure except in meets. For one thing, the amount of weight they lift means that failing can have bad consequences.
Bodybuilders lift to failure because they are stupid and juiced, and believe what they read in Muscle & Fitness.
There was a great piece I think from Chasing Kimbia a fair few years ago about Evans Rutter trying to get back into shape.
He ran with the leaders for the whole of each session and dropped out when it got too much.
They contrasted that with the Western system of running the "whole" workout regardless of whether the pace is slipping.
You can get this often in high school when you get put in the 4 X 400 relay and run to win. All out 400s in a race is training to fatigue especially when you have already run a race or two. the trick for young runners is to be able to time the fatigue just past the exchange or finish line.