RUTH JEBET EMBROILED IN DRUG SCANDAL!!!

Not so fast now wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Jebet came out of nowhere during an Olympic year and made drastic improvements, simultaneously switching to the Bahraini flag. Yasemin Can, same story, red flags all over the place. FWIW I don't agree with the "Kenyan doping culture" posts at all, I think Celphine Chespol is the real deal and should be the WR holder already.

Chepsol is in the same training group as Jebet....the group that also included Rita Jeptoo

Hmmm didn't know that

It is just a Brit Coincidental Medical Condition Synchronicity™.

El Keniano wrote:

My last word on Ruth Jebet then I'm done because I shouldn't bother with her since she's not Kenyan.

She's essentially under contract with Bahrain where they've agreed to pay her 6-7 figures in return for medals. It is a job. If she underperforms, the money is taken away as punishment. Of course this type of model would encourage someone to cheat unlike her Kenyan rivals like, say, Hyvin Kiyeng who is not under that kind of pressure from her government or federation. Simple.

You are in such denial, so much so you are not evening paying attention to what you are posting

List of Kenyans who have been busted for doping:

A

Delilah Asiago

C

Emily Chebet

Flomena Chepchirchir

Pamela Chepchumba

Susan Chepkemei

Lydia Cheromei

J

Rita Jeptoo

K

Simon Kemboi

Mathew Kisorio

Nguriatukei Rael Kiyara

L

Wilson Loyanae

M

Francisca Koki Manunga

David Munyasia

Julia Mumbi Muraga

Elizabeth Muthuka

N

Cosmas Ndeti

John Ngugi

Cyrus Njui

O

Musa Amer Obaid

R

Ronald Rutto

S

Joy Nakhumicha Sakari

Jemima Sumgong

T

William Tanui

That is not just some personal decision to dope. That is a culture, my friend. Now, I do feel that Kenyans are manipulated by foreign forces ( agents, companies, movements) to run, and are told when to run, because they just want to generate money for their families and villages. So yes Kenyans are being taking advantage of, unlike ethiopians, who are very streak about who they let in their camps and who they associate with.

However, don't pretend that this is some one-off situation, and Ruth just felt the pressure of living up to a contract that was imposed on her by the country that she chose to run for. This is a recurring theme, especially, since it seems that a Kenyan is getting busted every year for doping.

And if she was set up by her own countrymen, then that is even more disgusting. Ethiopians wouldn't do that to their own kind

Smarting up, Kenyans!

EPO does not work! Renato Canova and Gary rekrunner Lough told us that for month!

PEDs don't work...right canova and lough wrote:

EPO does not work! Renato Canova and Gary rekrunner Lough told us that for month!

That's right, therefore "CDA" is defending the Ethiopians for nothing. Lol.

Note that Bahrain had two women marathoners in the top 10 in the Rio marathon. Kirwa was 2nd and Chelimo was 8th. Sumgong of course has been busted, so if Kirwa gets busted it moves Shalane to fourth (behind a shady Belarussian), Desi into 5th and if the other Bahraini was busted, Cragg moves to 6th. And we know that testing in Rio was a debacle.

No I don't agree with that at all. You can't decide Kenyans are different to all other humans and have some 'culture' because a fair number have been caught doping. That's wrong.

What you have there is a list that proves opportunity.

Don't pretend westerners are too righteous to dope.

Care to list the Americans?

Thanks.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

... This last 5k would have been the 5k AR for every continent except Africa. .

Uhhhmmmmm ..... ???

I don't think these Kenyans busted for doping were getting sound advice on glow times. ?

wtfunny wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

... This last 5k would have been the 5k AR for every continent except Africa. .

Uhhhmmmmm ..... ???

I got her last 5,000m in 14:24.9 (I originally thought it was 14:22.9 sorry), Shobukhova did do 14:23.75, though she has been banned for doping and Abeylegesse who did 14:24.68, is an Ethiopian running for Turkey. She too has failed a doping test. My typo missed these two but proposals from European Athletics is clear, they are going to wipe people who fail any drugs tests from being eligible for area records. Thus Ayana's last 5,00m ironically will then be faster than anyone from "every continent except Africa."

The danger with those lists is adding people on there, who never doped, but did not follow the doping protocole, i.e. when John Whetton and his IAAF team went to test Ngugi, the latter basically told them to 'sod off' from his property. That constitutes a doping offence! Going by the same logic, Mo Farah...is 'guilty' as well...'Mo Farah....did not hear door bell'

In other words, Ngugi is guilty of doping without any evidence...beyond his stubborness to not welcome muzungu testers on his property. Something of a travesty. I don't think any Kenyans, incl. El K. on this forum, think Ngugi is a doper.

It is therefore a huge stretch to put Ngugi -and possibly some others, on that list.

Many know there were so many Yanks who were dirty at 1984 Olympics. A well orchestrated cover-up. The samples were conveniently thrown away.

Look in the mirror ... wrote:

Many know there were so many Yanks who were dirty at 1984 Olympics. A well orchestrated cover-up. The samples were conveniently thrown away.

What does that have to do with doping in this era? ?

I don't deny the fact several Kenyans are doped, but we have to look at this list with some different vision.

We have, in this list, athletes doped before 1999, such as Delilah Asiago.

We have athletes positive for a medicine for fertility, guilty because didn't inform IAAF only, who gave birth to a baby 6 months after the antidoping test, such as Lydia Cheromei.

We had who didn't open the door to the doctor because a lack of communication, like John Ngugi in 1989.

We had athletes tested for EPO after the worst competition of their life, immediately after coming back from a long therapy for "real" malaria, like Wilson Erupe Loyane.

We have athletes of 400m, who are not able to go in any international competition, and are not able to earn 1 DOLLAR from their activity, banned for some steroid, in the most stupid way, like Sakari and Koki and Elizabeth Muthoka.

We have athletes at that time coached by maroccan coach, after becoming Qatari, in training in Ifrane (Musa Amer Obaid), caught for steroids during a period without training for a stress fracture.

We have athletes caught for steroids in 2000, like Simon Kemboi.

We have athletes taking Methylephedrine, like Cyrus Njui, in Japan, having for this a ban of 8 months only.

We have athletes living and training in Japan, like Julia Mombi Muraga, caught in 2014 when already old, when her career was already at the end (2:26 in marathon in 2007, 2:34 in the last years).

And, especially, WE HAVE MORE THAN THOUSAND KENYANS RUNNING AROUND THE WORLD, so the number of tested athletes from that Country is higher than the athletes of any other Country. The number of positives seems high, but the percentage compared with the number of international competitors is low.

It's clear we need to carry out a very serious education with Kenyan athletes. The problem is that the educative messages can arrive to a limited number of top athletes only, not to the big number of NOT professional runners, not living in any training camp, not having any coach (the most part of time they train alone, or followed by an old athlete without any coaching experience, but original from their village), who continue to go to the pharmacist of the village when sick, or use "traditional methods" in case of some injury (for example, the wizard sucking liquid from the bursa of a knee, ancient system for draining).

The case of Bahrein is probably different. The Country has a permanent training camp in Kapsabet, involving several athletes (some of them still Kenyan), and there is a medical and physiotherapic assistance paid by the Country. I don't know what they do, but of sure the athletes are followed in more deep way (legal or illegal) than any top Kenyan national.

There is a serious problem with drugs in Kenya and Ethiopia but it's unfair to just post a list and claim that all positive tests are equal. William Tanui and Cosmas Ndeti tested positive for ephedrine after taking over the counter cold medication. They were given three month bans. They do not belong in the same category as Mathew Kisorio or Jemima Sumgong.

Why not list John Capel (marijuana) with Kevin Toth (THG), while you're at it?