3 Teams Break 4x800 World Record in One Race and Hoka One One NY/NJ Track Club Is Your New 4x800 World Record Holders

Whistle is loud and clear wrote:

wejo wrote:

Easy.

1) World Record by a bunch of Americans

2) We're highlighting it on front page and linking to this thread.

Or: 4 white guys

You seemed really happy when the 4 ebony sistaz won the 4x800 not too long ago...which was on the front page for weeks!

Indoor WR: 1:42.67

Average run tonight: ~1:47.83

~5.16 difference

Outdoor WR: 1:40.91

+5.16 seconds = 1:46.07

or

1:42.67/1:40.91 = ~1.0174

1:47.83/1.0174 = ~1:45.99x4= 7:03.96

Outdoor WR is 7:02.43,

7:11.31/7:02.43 = 1.021

There's probably a good argument that the outdoor WR is soft too (2017 top 4 Kenyans ran a combined time of 6:55.45), but in my opinion the races aren't always that fast because they seem to be more tactical. But it's still an impressive effort.

If the women's 4x800 had broken their record in the middle of a Sunday when nothing else was going on I think it would have been Super Hot. But their record came part of Millrose.

Our recap is up

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/02/njny-tc-runs-711-30-break-4x800-world-record-josh-hoey-crushes-800-high-school-national-record-japanese-mile-record/

USA African women are slower than 1984 Russian drugs wrote:

Plus: the real women's record (not just phoney "indoor" version) is Russian:

4x800 m Relay 7:50.17 USSR: Nadezhda Olizarenko Lyubov Gurina Lyudmila Borisova Irina Podyalovskaya Moscow, RUS 1984-Aug-05

Yep, soft USA women ran indoors, while Russians do not mind frozen winters, yet were still faster.

Even new-WR white USA lads could not compete against faster black Kenyans outdoors IMO.

Can three teams really "break the world record" in one race? As far as I'm concerned, the record is lowered the instant the team crosses the line, so the second place team isn't really breaking the record. The first team lowered the WR from 7:13.11 to 7:11.30, then the second team crossed afterward in some time slower than 7:11.30, so they didn't really break the WR.

One could argue that the record needs to be ratified, so the record isn't really lowered as soon as the team crosses the line, but the ratification is retroactive to the moment the team crossed the line, so I don't really buy that.

This is a good point.

You're definitely an amateur, James; and you wear your screen name fittingly. How many people in the world have run 1:45 or faster indoors this year? I have a strong feeling that you're very young, so I'll leave my reply as is without any further disparaging remarks.

Whistle is loud and clear wrote:

wejo wrote:

Easy.

1) World Record by a bunch of Americans

2) We're highlighting it on front page and linking to this thread.

Or: 4 white guys

Truly, your life must be miserable when your standard and reflexive answer/thought always has something to do with the color of a person's skin.

Ed Cez could have ran his on his own at Boston had he attempted. Just needed to carry a baton with him

Only reason this is done is for the extra bonuses in contracts or sponsor obligations. These guys all know this is straight cheese.

Well the troof be. wrote:

Whistle is loud and clear wrote:

Or: 4 white guys

You seemed really happy when the 4 ebony sistaz won the 4x800 not too long ago...which was on the front page for weeks!

Ebony sistaz with a z. And that username. And I’m sure no one sees anything wrong with this lol smh

one team broke the record wrote:

Can three teams really "break the world record" in one race? As far as I'm concerned, the record is lowered the instant the team crosses the line, so the second place team isn't really breaking the record. The first team lowered the WR from 7:13.11 to 7:11.30, then the second team crossed afterward in some time slower than 7:11.30, so they didn't really break the WR.

One could argue that the record needs to be ratified, so the record isn't really lowered as soon as the team crosses the line, but the ratification is retroactive to the moment the team crossed the line, so I don't really buy that.

Glad to see the grammar police back in town.

"Three teams ran under the previous world record, with winner setting a new world record" could be a more accurate way of phrasing it.

Congrats to Hoka One One NYNJ and Coach Gags. When is Gags gonna get some official recognition as one of the greatest coaches to have graced our sport?

In the words of Phillip Rocha, "It's a soft record".

I wish I had known this was going to be attempted. Was this publicized anywhere? Congrats to the Hoka team.

Well, to be fair, the average was 1:47.82 (thereabouts), right?

And here is a list of all those capable of that average or better. Jesse Garn and Joe McAsey are the only 2 of that 4 man group this indoor season who have open 800s beneath that record average. Any combo of the top 10 from the USATF's list should have been able to eclipse the recent record that was set with relative ease.

Besides just speculating as to how a group of better 800m runners would have done, it is also worth looking at how often relays like this are even run. I'm all for a strong effort since it's good for the sport and entertaining to a degree, but clearly this record wasn't sacred or nearly unachievable etc. Seems like there was very little on the line which doesn't do much to cause excitement.

800 METERS

1:45.10

1 Donavan Brazier Nike Feb 18 USATF Ind

1:45.53

3 Drew Windle Brooks Feb 03 Millrose G

1:46.49

1 Sam Ellison Boston AA Feb 10 Hemery Inv

1:46.57 3f2 Erik Sowinski Nike Feb 06 Düsseldorf

1:46.61

5 Clayton Murphy Nike Feb 03 Millrose G

1:46.99

2 Russell Dinkins New York AC Feb 10 Hemery Inv

1:47.37

1 Devin Dixon Texas A&M Feb 10 Tiger Paw

1:47.58

6 Jesse Garn Hoka

-NJNY Feb 03 Millrose G

1:47.63

5 Quamel Prince unat Feb 18 USATF Ind

1:47.74

2 Myles Marshall Harvard Feb 03 Lehane Inv

1:47.77

3 Joe McAsay Hoka

-NJNY Feb 03 Lehane Inv

1:47.79

1 Isaiah Harris Penn State Jan 27 National Inv

1:47.82

1 Thomas Staines Colorado State

-Pueblo Feb 03 Colorado Inv

vivalarepublica wrote:

one team broke the record wrote:

Can three teams really "break the world record" in one race? As far as I'm concerned, the record is lowered the instant the team crosses the line, so the second place team isn't really breaking the record. The first team lowered the WR from 7:13.11 to 7:11.30, then the second team crossed afterward in some time slower than 7:11.30, so they didn't really break the WR.

One could argue that the record needs to be ratified, so the record isn't really lowered as soon as the team crosses the line, but the ratification is retroactive to the moment the team crossed the line, so I don't really buy that.

Glad to see the grammar police back in town.

"Three teams ran under the previous world record, with winner setting a new world record" could be a more accurate way of phrasing it.

Huh? I was discussing an idea stated in the title/original post, not correcting anyone's grammar.

who cares now wrote:

why do we celebrate mediocre world records like this? the world record in the open 800 is 1:40 but we celebrate when 4 people on a relay team average slower than 1:47.5?

if this was an event at the NCAA meet, the record would be so much faster.

Well, it used to be an event at the NCAA meet for quite a while.

Clemson ran a world best of 7:17 in 1989.

I was on a team that ran 7:20 on a flat track.

I think they switched it to the DMR in 1994 or 1995.

But anyway, as long as we celebrate it, it gives incentive for others to break the record next time.

All running events are arbitrary.

It's OK to have some fun with something different now and then.

Maybe there will be a sub 7 indoor 4X800 some day.

But if they don't have events like this now and then to hack at the record, it will never happen.

dangitz wrote:

I wish I had known this was going to be attempted. Was this publicized anywhere? Congrats to the Hoka team.

Probably didn't help that it was 7pm on a Sunday at a low-key meet.

As one of the few people who did hang around to watch, it actually was super fun to see three clubs battle it out on a relay. WR or no, I wish we had more elite groups actually racing relays against one another as it brings an element of team loyalty that the professional end of our sport so badly lacks. All-star relay squads are fun in their own right, but there's something delightfully old-school at seeing pros actually behave like teammates.

Now that we have quite a few professional mid-distance groups, it would be great to see stuff like this more often.