HSer Josh Hoey runs 1:47.67 for the National Record

Josh went to Malvern for the first half of his freshman year before transferring to DWest

Hoey and Hasty both heading to UO. The rich get stinkin' rich.

pa outsider wrote:

As someone who has loosely followed the Hoey bros running careers, I was always confused why they kept transferring high schools. Do you have any information on this? Did they disagree with the coaching philosophy at Malvern Prep and Downingtown?

Does their dad coach them and they just compete under the Shanahan name?

A certain sanctimonious brother who rules this forum would encourage all and sundry to post hearsay gossip that the Hoeys each left their previous schools before they would have been expelled, even though the police had no cases against 'em.

Fan Base wrote:

As a fan of the sport for decades, this is the first distance record set by a high school athlete that I haven't been able to see run on video beforehand. Thanks, Floblock.

If you're really that old and can't afford $20/month to watch, then you've clearly got bigger problems than not being able to watch a high school track meet.

Lil Romeo wrote:

Fan Base wrote:

As a fan of the sport for decades, this is the first distance record set by a high school athlete that I haven't been able to see run on video beforehand. Thanks, Floblock.

If you're really that old and can't afford $20/month to watch, then you've clearly got bigger problems than not being able to watch a high school track meet.

The meet wasn’t live-streamed this year.

pa outsider wrote:

pa insider wrote:

coach was def ok with this.

As someone who has loosely followed the Hoey bros running careers, I was always confused why they kept transferring high schools. Do you have any information on this? Did they disagree with the coaching philosophy at Malvern Prep and Downingtown?

Does their dad coach them and they just compete under the Shanahan name?

Josh has mentioned in interviews that his dad is friends with Terrence Mahon, and that Terrence overseas their training plans.

an actual lawyer wrote:

Josh has mentioned in interviews that his dad is friends with Terrence Mahon, and that Terrence overseas their training plans.

He overseas it? Man, everything is outsourced these days.

My impression is that indoors favors certain runners over others (i.e. Andrew Wheating had trouble with the tight turns because he's tall) and so the indoor/outdoor equivalence is hard to gauge. So it is hard to say whether this means we should favor Josh to break the outdoor HS record. (In general, 'no' is the safer bet for breaking records -- Robby Andrew, for instance, didn't do it.)

Great time though, good luck with the rest of your season Josh if you're reading this!

markschultz40 wrote:

Current times are not a good predictor of his future ceiling. He may have reached it now. No one knows the depth of their talents until they've maximized their training potential so it's too early to tell.

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Actually really fast High School times are one of the best predictors of future ceiling (esp for guys) and if you were going to try to build a regression equation to predict future success it would be one of the first things you would use.

A 1:47 kid still has a much better chance at any level of future success then a 1:51 kid. That does mean you can find the opposite, just that the odds are against it.

I do however agree with your other two statements.

"After a difficult cross country season (last year) and my third high school in three years, I wanted to give my all this cross country season because it's my last one," Hoey said.

I want to know why a thread over this kid breaking the indoor 800m record by 1.6 seconds has more speculation post over why he has changed schools than over what he did?

Tremendous time from this kid. That would be top four or five all time outdoors, I think.

He had run a 2:23 1k earlier while saying he was more speed-based, and I predicted he would challenge 4 indoors with the right comp. This indicates that he may run close to the NR outdoors in the 8 and well under 4 in the mile, even if this BU track is super fast.

Sucked he wasn't at PSU for the Indoor State Meet.

"Josh has mentioned in interviews that his dad is friends with Terrence Mahon, and that Terrence overseas their training plans."

Why can't he keep them stateside?

The kid is a freak....Long stride, big frame, oodles of potential.

I think it is great what he accomplished but skipping out on your team (they may have won with his points) and leaving an empty spot at states is not particularly classy. There are lots of kids who just dream of making states and entries are very limited. All he had to do was not declare one week in advance.

I agree he should have run states but I don’t think he took anyone’s place. To qualify for states you just have to run a certain time. At least that was the way it use to be.

ScottEvil wrote:

My impression is that indoors favors certain runners over others (i.e. Andrew Wheating had trouble with the tight turns because he's tall) and so the indoor/outdoor equivalence is hard to gauge. So it is hard to say whether this means we should favor Josh to break the outdoor HS record. (In general, 'no' is the safer bet for breaking records -- Robby Andrew, for instance, didn't do it.)

Great time though, good luck with the rest of your season Josh if you're reading this!

True, Robby didn’t get the outdoor record but he ran a second faster outdoors than he ran indoors for his record. If Hoey replicates that, he’ll run 1:46 this spring and possibly get the record. I’d love to see how close to 4 he could run too, the kid absolutely slaughtered the field at Millrose.