why would anyone want to watch an entire 10k race? please FF to the last 800m for me, kthks
why would anyone want to watch an entire 10k race? please FF to the last 800m for me, kthks
When the women finally run sub 14, that will be a big incentive for the men to finally start running sub 13 again.
I agree with you regarding the different styles of Dibaba & Obiri, verses Ayana. I agree that in order forAyana to break the 5k record she has to be way ahead of of WR pace at the 4K mark and just hang on. - she has to go from the gun. Obiri can ramp it up over the final third. I think Obiris best chance will be without Ayana in the race, as with Ayana present it will be very difficult for Obiri to run her own race. Unless Obiri is psychologically bulletproof, it’s very hard to know Ayana is 100m ahead and not respond to that.
Yeah Tirunesh has an awesome mental strength, there is a terminator mentality about her. Genzebe not so much.
Bad Wigins wrote:
When the women finally run sub 14, that will be a big incentive for the men to finally start running sub 13 again.
If a woman ever breaks 14 in the 5k the internet would explode under the weight of online doping accusations ?
DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS
29:17 = 13:57
In an Olympic final.
Yeah.
Great race because I won a nice wager on Ayana, laughing all the way.
I'll continue to laugh every time Obiri is proposed as Ayana's equal.
Ayana needs to forget about tactics other than getting to her 67-69 second cruising speed and staying there. She can do that in far longer and more devastating fashion than anyone else. Ayana errs only when she paces herself too much early in the race, or when she pushes the middle of the race slightly faster than optimum level.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Great race because I won a nice wager on Ayana, laughing all the way.
I'll continue to laugh every time Obiri is proposed as Ayana's equal.
Ayana needs to forget about tactics other than getting to her 67-69 second cruising speed and staying there. She can do that in far longer and more devastating fashion than anyone else. Ayana errs only when she paces herself too much early in the race, or when she pushes the middle of the race slightly faster than optimum level.
Well, Obiri is queen of 5000m, and has destroyed ayana in 2 straight championship races ( olympics and world championship). Ayana is great, but is weak at 5000m compared to 10000m. It's a faster race and requires closing strength, which she does not have.
Obiri is way stronger in the second half of a race. This is a woman who still does XC to maintain her lower power, so the only chance Ayana has is going out fast and hard . That is her only chance, but since obiri has a top 10 5000m time ( 4:18 ), Obiri has the speed endurance to just sit on Ayana and out kick her in the final 300m.
5000m is all about the second half of a race, not the first half. Close out speed is a great necessity. Tirunesh, Vivian, and Meseret understood that. And Vivian has passed that understanding over to Obiri. Ayana and Genzebe still do stupid stuff at 5000m, and they both run out of gas in the end.
I'm a fan of ever top runner at 5000m , and Ayana is queen of 10000m, but 5000m? Obiri all day long. Sorry.
Also, there is a reason why Vivian and Tirunesh were masters at 5000/10000, and were able to win the double. Dibaba did it twice ( olympics/ WC), and Viv did it once ( WC)
Ayana has failed at it, twice.
Vivian and Tirunesh are second half runners. They run the second half faster than the first, allowing them to have great strength and power going down the stretch. They have great kicks, so they excel in that situation.
Ayana has no kick, and this is what limits her at 5000m, and she can't turn it on down the stretch. She goes out fast to build up separation from the field, and then focuses on trying to hold on. Now, that works at 10000m, because the distance is in her favor. Most runners are not willing to blast out in the beginning at 10000m, and most can't. Ayana can, which makes her superior at that distance. That's why the race in Rio was insane, because that type of running had never been done before.
But you can't run the 5000m like you run the 10000m. There must be a different strategy because of the speed of the race, and the short distance. If Ayana goes out fast at 10000m, runners will try to stay with her, but most will be toast by 5000m, and she will go on to blow the race away. However, at 5000m, elite runners like Obiri can sit on ayana's pace, using her as a pacer. And since Ayana has no closing kick, she really can't do anything about it. Vivian knew that, too, and she was able to beat at Ayana at 5000m
Obiri is doing to ayana what Faith is doing to Genzebe, using her as pacer, and then blasting her in the final 300-200 meters.
I'm a bit late, but in case someone wants to watch the race in better quality here is the russian version I got:
https://openload.co/f/KXfSlvBF4Hg/10000mRio.mp4
I didn't upload it to youtube because they are very strict with copyright, so I hope this site is ok too (there might be somes nsfw ads, but anyone who visits letsrun should use some ad blocking extension anyway):
I accidentally posted the link twice, sorry. I noticed buffering takes some time, maybe the direkt mp4-link works better: https://1fiag09.oloadcdn.net/dl/l/Ewmx3wmyNXheNhos/KXfSlvBF4Hg/10000mRio.mp4?mime=true
Well Scorpion I guess it’s a case of sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. Watch below, this was the final diamond league event in Brussels approx three weeks after Obiri and Cheryuiot breezed past Ayana in the Olympic 5k final. Due to her extraordinary start in the women’s 10 k at Rio, Alice Aprot was asked to be pacemaker for this race, something she agreed to as long as she was allowed to finish. Note that Obiri tried to shadow Ayana in this race and got gapped, she didn’t make any headway on her in the last lap either. This is why I keep my powder dry in terms of making definitive statements re who has the upper hand at 5k events. This year will give the true lowdown of what’s what,
https://youtu.be/Rwsxn2HmuccNo disrespect, but a diamond league race right after a championship race? come on. Obiri could have been passed her peak.
After runners run their goal race, the season pretty much recedes from there.
And I don't think this year will define anything, because this is not a championship season, so the focus and possibly the training will be different. All I know is that Obiri is 2-0 against Ayana in championship races, and that is where it counts the most.
We agree to disagree.
+1
No-one but Ayana can run 68 sec lap from the gun to the finish line. She’s the only one who can go WR pace and maybe even sub 14. Obiri cannot run that fast, paced or not paced. The only reason Obiri managed to overtake Ayana in the 5k races is because Ayana didn’t run WR pace from the beginning. Some people are so stupid to think that pacing is like a horse carrying you on a carriage, and that you only have to kick in the end. You actually have to run the same pace as the pacemaker. Obiri can’t. Look at that race that was attached above. 14:18- not even WR pace, where’s Obiri kick?? Nothing left in her.
And I’m not talking about who has better chances to win in a race. That indeed could be Obiri. I am talking about who can run a better pb at 5k. Obiri cannot run a WR at 5k. Ayana can and probably only a matter of time till she does
No disrespect taken - To add to your point regarding this race was the end of the season, hence Obiri
Could be past her peak,- same applies for Ayana and her 14.18 is the fastest ever time recorded in the latter part of a track season. But as the truism goes, you are only as good as your last race, and on that basis the pendulum swings back to Obiri.
An intriguing scenario will be if Obiri doubles at the Tokyo Olympics and attempts the 5 & 10k double. Then the second race will be interesting. I know I Sound like a broken record but Ayanas ethos of running requires more downtime recovery than a standard elite pack runner. In championship 5k events aside from Beijing where she wasn’t doubling up she has looked a poor shadow of her usual self - and indeed her times are at least 15 seconds outside her slowest times for 5k at DL events.
So in summary it’s fair to project that Ayana will always provide a relatively poor showing of herself in the 5k at championship events due to it being her second race. She doesnt have the time to fully recover from her first event which she runs so uniquely that we cannot apply standard recovery rates to her. She does have basic speed though, don’t forget she is the Ethiopian record holder at 3000m
asking for a friend wrote:
why would anyone want to watch an entire 10k race? please FF to the last 800m for me, kthks
+1