I can't find the 2016 Rio Olympics Women's 10000m anywhere.

georgebi wrote:

Complete curse with Greek commentary [I do not know if needs Greek ip ]

Not sure what you said, but thank you.

This is a travesty. No matter what we think about the eventual winner, the rumours remain baseless and until it is confirmed that she's doping, her racing antics deserve to be viewed in their full glory. Can't the bigwigs at Letsrun intervene so we may get to watch the race in it's entirety? Please, the race was too magnificent to be hidden.

Does anybody know why all videos from London 2012 are up on the official page but only a few "Rio Rewinds" are up for 2016? On a separate note, after reading this thread I went back and watched the legendary 2012 800 and I was wondering what happened to the Kenyan who got third and was supposedly only 17? Anybody know?

Hardloper wrote:

youtube wrote:

there are literally a dozen copies of the last 5-15 minutes on youtube

He literally wants one copy of the whole race, not a dozen copies of half the race

Excellent respondent use of "literally" :)

Scorpion_runner wrote:

It's a god damn crisis. They don't even sell the olympics on DVD.

I consider that race to be the greatest race that I have ever seen, because of how brutal the speed was, and the breaking of the WR.

Track and field footage has turned into a unicorn. Why is itso protected and hidden? Major sports games and footage can easily be found or purchased. But track and field? Even a tracking device will not help you to locate the events.

It is becoming really, really frustrating.

Yeah, man. I'm whining.

Here is the link of the full race sourced from Facebook, its a bit grainy but does capture the entire race apart from a few minutes whilst the source is assigning a new IP address

Hill Run wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

It's a god damn crisis. They don't even sell the olympics on DVD.

I consider that race to be the greatest race that I have ever seen, because of how brutal the speed was, and the breaking of the WR.

Track and field footage has turned into a unicorn. Why is itso protected and hidden? Major sports games and footage can easily be found or purchased. But track and field? Even a tracking device will not help you to locate the events.

It is becoming really, really frustrating.

Yeah, man. I'm whining.

Here is the link of the full race sourced from Facebook, its a bit grainy but does capture the entire race apart from a few minutes whilst the source is assigning a new IP address

https://www.facebook.com/ChannelHabesha/videos/933712076756401/

I think the most mind blowing part of the race is one lap after Ayana breaks away and Cheruiyot gets within 5 metres, she puts the hammer down even further and gaps Cheruiyot by 10 metres and maintains this pace.

People grossly overlook the importance on Alice Aprot in this race. - without her the WR would still belong to Wang Junxia, and Ayana would have likely not broken 30 min. It was obvious that Ayanas plan was to break free at the halfway mark and run alone, she did the same at the Ethiopian trials in Hengelo.

So Ayana has Alice Aprot to thank for the WR, and Dibaba and Cheryuiot have Aprot and Ayana to thank for blowing their previous PBs to oblivion.

Also overlooked is that Cheryuiot arguably put in the distance performance of the games.- She ran within a second of the existing WR in the 10K and broke the Olympic record in winning the 5K

Hill Run wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

It's a god damn crisis. They don't even sell the olympics on DVD.

I consider that race to be the greatest race that I have ever seen, because of how brutal the speed was, and the breaking of the WR.

Track and field footage has turned into a unicorn. Why is itso protected and hidden? Major sports games and footage can easily be found or purchased. But track and field? Even a tracking device will not help you to locate the events.

It is becoming really, really frustrating.

Yeah, man. I'm whining.

Here is the link of the full race sourced from Facebook, its a bit grainy but does capture the entire race apart from a few minutes whilst the source is assigning a new IP address

https://www.facebook.com/ChannelHabesha/videos/933712076756401/

Dude! Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, bro. I have not seen the race since the day that it occurred.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Hill Run wrote:

Here is the link of the full race sourced from Facebook, its a bit grainy but does capture the entire race apart from a few minutes whilst the source is assigning a new IP address

https://www.facebook.com/ChannelHabesha/videos/933712076756401/

Dude! Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, bro. I have not seen the race since the day that it occurred.

Anytime, bro, - there is another on Facebook much clearer with different angle shots and American commentators (I live in New Zealand) It incorporporates the final 7 laps but doesn’t give context to the entire race.

watching 25 laps of jogging sounds exciting

The way to fight back against this is for teams of competent camera operators to set up in two or three seats around the stadium, get good video of everything where at least one of them always has a good angle, and then edit it into one video. Broadcast-rights owners can't touch it because they only paid for the right to broadcast what's recorded by the official cameras at the event.

There's fan video of a lot of stuff but most of it is incompetently made. People don't know the first thing about using cameras unfortunately.

Alice screwed up, and went out too early. Vivian was livid, absolutely living with her teammate during the press conference. Viv had a strategy, the same strategy that she used with Obiri to take down Ayana. And considering her time, it's possibly that she would have taken her down. Viv knew that Ayana likes to go hard during the middle of the race, so Viv was just going to sit, and then move with Ayana, and just sit to about 400 meters. All of that flew out the window at the beginning of the race.

Alice went in way over head because she had put in the fastest 10000m for the year early in the year, and she did it solo. Only difference, she was racing with a group of nobodies when she did it.

Also, I didn't realize that Molly went out with the lead pack, and hung on at the back for a good 3 laps before she became toast.

Damn that race was brutal, but everyone kept running hard.

And I agree with you regarding Vivian, she ran brilliantly during the rio games. She was not intimidated by Ayana at all. And she passed her race tactics over to Obiri. I really hope she moves up to 10000m.

Obiri is running the 10000m at the Commonwealth games in Australia this April. It will be interesting to see how she goes. - I know you doubt Ayanas durability, but I have doubts that anyone could have beaten her in the Rio Olympics regardless of tactics. Betsy Saina said as much after the race.

I will admit that in any championship event, Ayanas second race will always be the weaker. We can’t apply the laws of standard recovery time to Ayana, simply because she runs her first 10k event totally uniquely and essentially as a time trial. This is very draining physically and mentally, so much so that nobody else can consistently do it.

In light of this, I’m super keen to see Obiri and Ayana in the diamond league this year. Each 5 or 3 k race will be a doozy. - One thing in Obiris favour is that she will never be forced to be the pacemaker for Ayana as she has the luxury of her sprint, Ayana will always have to front run to win and she will need to go earlier than she has historically to gap Obiri. Remember that A fresh Ayana running a 5k is a very different beast than the Ayana doubling off a 10k five days before.

Maybe this year we can see sub 14 happen? I think if Ayana and Obiri race this coming season then sub 14 is going to happen. Also if sub 14 happens then sub 29 is not far off.

Sub 14 and 29 happening soon? wrote:

Maybe this year we can see sub 14 happen? I think if Ayana and Obiri race this coming season then sub 14 is going to happen. Also if sub 14 happens then sub 29 is not far off.

Sub 14 would be a huge leap, but There is a real opportunity for Dibabas 14’11 to be bettered. As for sub 29 in the women’s 10k - I highly doubt it. Although I still believe the women’s 10k to be a much softer record than the Women’s 5k (and by I mean given optimum conditions, pacing and frequency the 10k is slightly easier to attain)

Problem with the women’s track 10k is that it is largely dead outside championship events and when it’s is run it (up until Ayana) is Run conservatively. It is for this reason that Wang Junxias record stood so long. Tirunesh Dibaba never made an attempt on the 10k record, as never had to go out hard due to having the best finishing kick. Even her 5k record was paced by her older sister and Dibaba after running it never ever dipped below 14.20 again - she never tried.

Tirunesh Dibaba herself said there is far more global competition in the women’s 5k probabaly due to the frequency of its running compared to global 10k.

Take 2017 for instance, the top 15 times in the women’s 10k event were all run by different athletes! This clearly represents its absence of frequency as a global event.

What we have this year are two exceptional talents (Obiri & Ayana) who have both stated their desire to pursue the 5k WR this year in the absence of any championship events. This will make fantastic viewing. Personally I believe Ayana has the pedigree slightly over Obiri.

Last year, Obiri posted her fasted ever 5 k in the diamond league front running 14’18 in Rome. After the race she was absolutely destroyed lying prostrate on the track. She gave it everything. Ayana has run that time or better four times and has never looked totally spent afterwards. Also Ayana has never lost to Obiri in a 5k run as a stand alone event in the diamond league. If Ayana modifies her tactics and goes at the gun, Obiri will suffer more than she will will during the middle and latter stages of the race.Alternatively, if Obiri is within 10 metres of Ayana at the bell, the odds swing back to her. I don’t see any other athletes featuring to be honest,Hassan, Gidey, and Muir will provide honest competition ( and also a refreshed Dibaba could be a wildcard) but I don’t see any of them threatening the big two.

Sub 14 and 29 happening soon? wrote:

Maybe this year we can see sub 14 happen? I think if Ayana and Obiri race this coming season then sub 14 is going to happen. Also if sub 14 happens then sub 29 is not far off.

Biggest issue the women have in breaking the 5k is the lack of quality pacemakers to take them through. This has been Ayanas problem in each of her record attempts. There is nobody outside the top contenders themselves who can provide the required pace up until the 3k mark. This makes Ayana the default pacemaker for everyone - that is unless they can recruit a world class 1500m runner to pace them, but then they are involved in their own events at these meets - this is the biggest obstacle in setting the 5k WR in my view.

ZidaneValor wrote:

Maybe I'm misremembering, but weren't people questioning the length of the track itself at some point due to how ridiculous this race pace was?

But then the Men ran a pedestrian 10k and debunked that track length myth.

I think in order to break it a female runner will have to run it the same way T. Dibaba ran it. She must run the second half faster than the first half. The great thing about Dibaba is that she is a killer second half runner, probably the greatest off all time at doing it. She really isn't big on going out a death pace, and has never done that, so breaking WRs has never been her thing. She is designed to destroy her competition in the last 2 laps or last 2-3 miles of a road race.

Ayana chases WRs. Genzebe is always chasing WRs, so they go hard and fast, and both of them run out of gas in the last lap or so when attempting to break the 5ooom record. Ayana has four top 10 5000m times. Genzebe has 2. Obiri has 1.

Obiri, like T.Dibaba, does not like going out hard. She is a second half runner as well, so I think that with the way that she runs her races, she'll put in a killer second 2500 meters and take down the record. She is the only one I see capable of really doing it.

Genzebe just does not have the patience and concentration like her sister, and Ayana isn't strong enough in the last 800m, plus she is focusing more on marathon running, so the speed may tail off a bit.