Face palming! wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Ovett was there Borzo's mum was not. Unless they had an Olympic event for cleaners.
That's right, there were no cleaning people at the Games. The athletes had to clean their own rooms, clean the toilets, clean the kitchen, the hallways and every other area.
Were the cleaners tested for PEDs?
The current witchhunt against Russian athletics is ideologically motivated in my opinion, but the fact is that Yuriy's career fell well after the collapse of the Soviet Union and long before the current accusations of state sponsored Russian doping.
So there's no reason at all to believe he was doping simply because he was Russian. I mean, he did run an extremely dirty EPO era worldwide, but there's no more reason to believe he was doping than for example, Alan Webb was. Also, I'm pretty sure if these 1:42 800 guys were taking EPO at that time they could have moved up to the 1500m with ease.
Plus - if you have the genetics of Steve Ovett, you don't need to dope.
Coevett wrote:
The current witchhunt against Russian athletics is ideologically motivated in my opinion, but the fact is that Yuriy's career fell well after the collapse of the Soviet Union and long before the current accusations of state sponsored Russian doping.
So there's no reason at all to believe he was doping simply because he was Russian. I mean, he did run an extremely dirty EPO era worldwide, but there's no more reason to believe he was doping than for example, Alan Webb was. Also, I'm pretty sure if these 1:42 800 guys were taking EPO at that time they could have moved up to the 1500m with ease.
Plus - if you have the genetics of Steve Ovett, you don't need to dope.
You don't suspect Borzakovskiy?
Bad Wigins wrote:
чистый как новый снег!
Как Белый Лебедь. Знаете?
P. Bolotnikov wrote:
Coevett wrote:
The current witchhunt against Russian athletics is ideologically motivated in my opinion, but the fact is that Yuriy's career fell well after the collapse of the Soviet Union and long before the current accusations of state sponsored Russian doping.
So there's no reason at all to believe he was doping simply because he was Russian. I mean, he did run an extremely dirty EPO era worldwide, but there's no more reason to believe he was doping than for example, Alan Webb was. Also, I'm pretty sure if these 1:42 800 guys were taking EPO at that time they could have moved up to the 1500m with ease.
Plus - if you have the genetics of Steve Ovett, you don't need to dope.
You don't suspect Borzakovskiy?
Is there a good reason to?
Galatchin wrote:
P. Bolotnikov wrote:
You don't suspect Borzakovskiy?
Is there a good reason to?
Besides the Russian connection, I don't think so.
Has there been a good Russian middle to long distance runner since?
You would expect q natural talent to emerge once in a while in a country the size of Russia. Their biggest handicap is the climate.
Coevett wrote:
You would expect q natural talent to emerge once in a while in a country the size of Russia. Their biggest handicap is the climate.
The Soviet Union and Russia haven't produced that many great male middle to long distance runners when you think about it.
Kuts, Bolotnikov, Arzhanov and Borzakovskiy. 4 Olympic golds and 1 silver.
Anyone I've missed?
Coevett wrote:
You would expect q natural talent to emerge once in a while in a country the size of Russia. Their biggest handicap is the climate.
They're pooling their talent toward racewalking. The men in Russia have shifted to racewalking while the women still like distance running. The men's racewalking program has been a juggernaut in world competition. They have numerous Olympic & WC medals & they've set a few WRs here & there. It's also become a popular national pastime.
Sadly, though, doping has been a big part of that as they've had numerous EPO positives & ABP sanctions. One of their top coaches received a lifetime ban for 11 of his top walkers getting busted over the years for doping. They, like their women in distance running, seem to have an appetite for O2-vector doping.
I'm guessing Russia focused on men's racewalking thinking they would have a much better chance at world dominance as opposed to having to compete against Kenya, Ethiopia, U.S., UK, etc. in running. It would have been a great success story if wasn't for the doping (again ?).
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/olympics/where-racewalking-is-king-the-antidoping-officials-are-busy.html?referer=https://antidopingworld.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/6-russian-race-walkers-banned-for-epo-doping/https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_CheginP. Bolotnikov wrote:
Borzakovskiy is one of my favourite runners. He probably should have won a WC in 2005 along with his 2004 Olympic gold.
Given the Russian doping scandal and a significant number of middle distance runners and race walkers have been caught.
Was Borzakovskiy clean? Is there any evidence of him using PEDs?
He was likely clean as he was tested often and spent a lot of his time training in France and Germany - unlike most E. Africans who are literally never tested out of season / out of competition.
P. Bolotnikov wrote:
The Soviet Union and Russia haven't produced that many great male middle to long distance runners when you think about it.
Kuts, Bolotnikov, Arzhanov and Borzakovskiy. 4 Olympic golds and 1 silver.
Anyone I've missed?
Vladimir Kazantsev
Cold War classics wrote:
P. Bolotnikov wrote:
The Soviet Union and Russia haven't produced that many great male middle to long distance runners when you think about it.
Kuts, Bolotnikov, Arzhanov and Borzakovskiy. 4 Olympic golds and 1 silver.
Anyone I've missed?
Vladimir Kazantsev
Aleksandr Anufriev (1952)
Nikolay Sokolov (1960)
Semyon Rzhishchin (1960)
More Cold War Classics wrote:
Cold War classics wrote:
Vladimir Kazantsev
Aleksandr Anufriev (1952)
Nikolay Sokolov (1960)
Semyon Rzhishchin (1960)
Leonid Moiseyev.
Yet More Cold War Classics wrote:
More Cold War Classics wrote:
Aleksandr Anufriev (1952)
Nikolay Sokolov (1960)
Semyon Rzhishchin (1960)
Leonid Moiseyev.
Kirov gets the bronze...(behind Ovett and Coe) and a European Championship silver at 1500m in 1982. I think he also beat Cram in the 1981 European Cup 1500m.
The Wikipedia page for Vladimir Kazantsev is quite interesting :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kazantsev_(athlete)Most of the runners in this list were from either Southern Russia, the Ukraine or Belarus, where the climate is not so harsh as in Moscow/St Petersburg and obviously Siberia.
Von Cramm wrote:
P. Bolotnikov wrote:
Borzakovskiy is one of my favourite runners. He probably should have won a WC in 2005 along with his 2004 Olympic gold.
Given the Russian doping scandal and a significant number of middle distance runners and race walkers have been caught.
Was Borzakovskiy clean? Is there any evidence of him using PEDs?
Borzakovskiy probably had the longest career for a Russian in athletics than any other Russian athlete.
Most of the others either retire or get caught for doping.
You mean like the pole vaulter/IAAF ambassador gal with obvious anabolic changes? Just requires paying to play, my man.
Von Cramm wrote:
P. Bolotnikov wrote:
Borzakovskiy is one of my favourite runners. He probably should have won a WC in 2005 along with his 2004 Olympic gold.
Given the Russian doping scandal and a significant number of middle distance runners and race walkers have been caught.
Was Borzakovskiy clean? Is there any evidence of him using PEDs?
Borzakovskiy probably had the longest career for a Russian in athletics than any other Russian athlete.
Most of the others either retire or get caught for doping.
Well unlike El G he didn't retire after his 2004 Olympic triumph and was only beaten by the confirmed doper Ramzi in the 2005 World Championships. Ran 1:42 again in 2008 and won the European Championships in 2012 at the age of 31.