Any man with enough training can achieve the women world record times from 800m to the marathon.

waltertompatton wrote:

Example wrote:

I can do the 800 and the 1000. But ABSOLUTELY NOT the marathon.

Women, as a group, will have a bigger range than an individual male. But I so think that every male should be capable of training to the women's record in their best event.

You are assuming that all conditions are perfect for the individual male. If one has shoddy coaching, competed in the 1970s, and etc., those records are out of reach for all but the very best men.

Modern athletes have many advantages that the pioneers of the sport did not have and many of those events were set well after the 1970s.

Your statement and the OPs original statement (although I respect him a great deal) are not fair to anyone who ran before 1980!!!

The best coaching and full time training would have little impact on the total numbers who could do this. More guys from the 70s were probably capable because guys actually raced multiple distances back then.

It works across the board wrote:

John Utah wrote:

How do you explain men who train who can't run a 1:53 in the 800

The same way you explain any other distances and time.

My point that there are men who train who cannot run those times, which proves the original statement in the subject line wrong.

Mark Coogan PRs as of 1997 (

https://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/TrackAndFieldArchive/1997/mcoogan.htm

):

PRs (outdoor):

800 1:51.8 '91

1,500 3:44.68 '91

Mile 3:58.81 '89

2,000 5:12.17 '93

2,000 Steeple 5:28.33 '92

3,000 7:55.60 '93

2M 8:21.45 '95

Steeple 8:26.90 '92

5,000 13:23.72 '95

10,000 28:23.38 '92

PRs (road):

5K 13:48' '92

10K 28:13' '94

15K 43:47 '95

Marathon 2:13:05 '96

I also see he ran 1:03 at the Philadelphia half marathon. I don't see a 1k time but that's a fake event.

I have broken all those. How much would ya'll pay me if I could break them all in one month?

Libertarian vegan wrote:

Can any male with enough training in his athletic prime achieve the world record times for the woman? Assuming he's not too short or too tall and weighs around 60 kilograms give or take 15 kilograms.

From the 800m to marathon:

800m 1:53

1000m 2:28

1500m 3:50

Mile 4:12

2000m 5:23

3000m 8:06

5000m 14:11

10000m 29:17

3000m steeplechase 8:52

Half marathon 1:04:51

Marathon 2:15:25

Can any male with enough training achieve these times?

I have to admit it's an intriguing question. I respect your knowledge of training.

I do think that you are young and assume too much when asking your questions though. Unless that is you just like to irritate us.

These times are pretty fast even for a male DII runner. Please give us an example of how someone with a 65 second 440 yard dash personal record could achieve any of these times! There were many in my day and there still are today.

How would you train a 22 year old with a 65 second 440 yard dash personal record to break any of these records? Just for fun let's assume that the said individual is 5-9 130.'

Libertarian vegan wrote:

Can any male with enough training achieve these times?

No. Obviously no. You idiot.

Libertarian vegan wrote:

In practice I ran a 2:23 kilometer which is my defacto personal record for that distance.So with the right track meet and after I'm done building my base I think I could do everything from the 800m to 5000m and steeplechase off of my base phase with no track work.

You are pretty good for a girl.

Do the men get to use the same PED's they were using?

Libertarian vegan wrote:

In practice .....

The two words that always cue a lie.

fred wrote:

2:09:20 1. 1. Galen RUPP 86 USA F 1. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1173

2:12:21 2. 2. Scott SMITH 86 USA F 8. Frankfurt (GER) 29.10 1120

2:12:35 3. 3. Scott FAUBLE 91 USA F 9. Frankfurt (GER) 29.10 1116

2:12:40 4. 4. Ryan VAIL 86 USA F 8. Berlin (GER) 24.09 1114

2:12:48 5. 5. Abdi ABDIRAHMAN 78 USA F 7. New York (USA) 05.11 1112

2:12:50 6. 6. Chris DERRICK 90 USA F 9. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1111

2:13:36 7. 7. Elkanah KIBET 86 USA F 7. Hamburg (GER) 23.04 1098

2:13:41 8. 8. Aaron BRAUN 87 USA F 12. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1097

2:13:42 9. 9. Matt LLANO 88 USA F 12. Frankfurt (GER) 29.10 1096

2:13:58 10. 10. Andrew BUMBALOUGH 87 USA F 25. Tokyo (JPN) 26.02 1092

2:14:00 11. 11. Jeffrey EGGLESTON 84 USA F 4. Warszawa (POL) 23.04 1091

2:14:57 12. 13. Shadrack KIPTOO BIWOTT 85 USA F 10. New York (USA) 05.11 1075

2:15:02 13. 14. Samuel CHELANGA 85 USA F 15. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1073

2:15:02 13. 14. Tyler PENNEL 87 USA F 20. Fukuoka (JPN) 03.12 1073

2:15:19 15. 17. Diego ESTRADA 89 USA F 16. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1068

Guys in the U.S. in 2017 that could beat Radcliffe`s marathon record.

Wasn't Estrada in the Olympic games for Mexico?

Caster Semenya hasn't broken any of those, so it's apparently not just ANY man.

Has any world class sprinter, under 10.2 for 100 meters, ever run what the OP says is possible?

zzzz wrote:

Has any world class sprinter, under 10.2 for 100 meters, ever run what the OP says is possible?

in at least two of those distances? Or even one?

Obviously a trolling thread. OP has only posted a few times early on and one of those times was answering a separate question from the original. Meanwhile, plenty of posters who I think are normally pretty smart are diving in, spluttering in irritation one after the other.

LV, your next thread should state something like "all Somalian villagers could become millionaires if only they had the gumption to pull themselves up by their bootstraps." It will surely take off. Or, better yet, revive the old "every young adult male could break 5 in the mile if they trained right." I've fallen for that one before.

zephito wrote:

Obviously a trolling thread.

Of course, and just about everyone knows that. Sometimes we reply anyway because we have twitchy fingers.

zzzz wrote:

zephito wrote:

Obviously a trolling thread.

Of course, and just about everyone knows that. Sometimes we reply anyway because we have twitchy fingers.

Yeah, that happens to me too.

Part of being able to do it is staying healthy and motivated.

So no way.

It takes special people to actually do it. Not say they could or should have.

zephito wrote:

zzzz wrote:

Of course, and just about everyone knows that. Sometimes we reply anyway because we have twitchy fingers.

Yeah, that happens to me too.

I enjoyed reading this thread and noticing it was actually two parallel threads, neither seeming to acknowledge the other.

The first thread is a bunch of people talking about whether or not every man should be able to break one of these times.

The second thread is whether or not there is any single individual man who could break all of these times.