Plnyhrf wrote:
Degrasses’s coach thinks Gatlin is clean.
Degrasses’s coach has been smoking De grass.
Plnyhrf wrote:
Degrasses’s coach thinks Gatlin is clean.
Degrasses’s coach has been smoking De grass.
Why are LRC regulars so dumb? wrote:
He is rightfully upset his coach, who is already making good money (is Mitchell on the Nike payroll?), would throw him under the bus to score a quick $125k (assuming a split of the $250k with Wagner).
In the same sentence you assert that Mitchell is making good money, you admit that you don't even know who he works for. And you go on to express other uncertainties, all while making assertions based on your uncertain knowledge. Obviously, no STEM degree for you.
And you call LRC regulars dumb? Maybe so but that doesn't mean you have try to kill irony. Irony already takes a vicious beating every time Trump says Hillary can't stop talking about him.[/quote]
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Anyone criticising those booing in London now?
To think I almost felt sorry for him.
I shouldn't have to point this out, but this is Letsrun, home of degenerates, so I think I should.
It is possible to suspect that Gatlin might be doping and yet NOT boo at him like a jack@ss every time he wins a race. These are not mutually exclusive states of being.
Tralalal wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Anyone criticising those booing in London now?
To think I almost felt sorry for him.
I shouldn't have to point this out, but this is Letsrun, home of degenerates, so I think I should.
It is possible to suspect that Gatlin might be doping and yet NOT boo at him like a jack@ss every time he wins a race. These are not mutually exclusive states of being.
Was Gatlin ever mentioned in the WADA report that had listed Evan Jager ,as "likely doping"?
wada reports wrote:
Tralalal wrote:
I shouldn't have to point this out, but this is Letsrun, home of degenerates, so I think I should.
It is possible to suspect that Gatlin might be doping and yet NOT boo at him like a jack@ss every time he wins a race. These are not mutually exclusive states of being.
Was Gatlin ever mentioned in the WADA report that had listed Evan Jager ,as "likely doping"?
No sprinters were even listed on leaked documents. Sprinters are either clean & green these days or they have a way of flying under the radar of the ABP and not arousing any suspicion. ?
if someone was willing to pay me $250,000 for something that was going to cost me $2,500 i'd talk endless amounts of crap to close the deal.
also, i'd be highly suspicious of a random stranger with $250,000 asking for dope and say whatever idiotic thing came into my head just to illustrate how ridiculous the situation was.
agent names and games wrote:
Wagner and Nehemiah work for the same agency.
No, they don't. Nehemiah left that agency years ago.
Tralalal wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Anyone criticising those booing in London now?
To think I almost felt sorry for him.
I shouldn't have to point this out, but this is Letsrun, home of degenerates, so I think I should.
It is possible to suspect that Gatlin might be doping and yet NOT boo at him like a jack@ss every time he wins a race. These are not mutually exclusive states of being.
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God, I hate groupthink. I'm not a fan of Gatlin's or his past record, but this kind of school yard bullying where the mob scapegoats and piles on the unpopular guy because everybody is doing it so they can get away with it makes my blood boil. I will always root for the persecuted underdog.
Fact King wrote:
Shame Game wrote:
The Brojos vendetta with Gatlin is disgusting.
When THREE test results from Paula Radcliffe are leaked with ridiculous off-scores, Wejo goes on a jog with Paula and tells us everything is good and she works really hard. When WADA lists Evan Jager as LIKELY DOPING, they do a podcast with Jager and accept his explanations carte blanche. Ajee Wilson blames a positive steroid test on juiced Jamaican beef and the Brojos basically shrug and say whatever.
Justin Gatlin is mentioned in passing during a shady investigative sting operation and the Brojos plaster the front page with snide remarks about Gatlin. Currently, there isn't a test result, paper trail, or shred of physical evidence linking Justin Gatlin to doping.
Have some integrity and keep your "reporting" to verifiable facts rather than he said -she said nonsense and sarcastic jabs.
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It’s not that people think Jager is dirty. It’s that arguments about Rupp’s improvement are also true about Solinsky, ritz, and Jager. Their speed and PRs improved at the same age. So the Brojos should be clear about those points when making the case against Rupp. They should also acknowledge that some of these runners also used Dr Brown, testoboost, etc. just like Salazar. I would appreciate it if they spell all of that out or don’t just argue those points against Rupp. Also, citing Magness all the time is kind of odd. The guy participated in the whole thing, had a lot of his story questioned (and did not respond), and I think he also used some of the same medications as an athlete.
Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:
Shame Game wrote:
What irritates me is the selectivity of the Brojos doping shmears. Rupp is dirty but Jager is clean despite similar performances and WADA reports. Radcliffe is a workhorse but Shobukva is a cheater even though neither athlate tested positive for EPO but both had highly suspicious ABPs.
Canova is a genius but Aden is a drug-pusher despite similar history with dirty athletes and miracle performances.
Letsrun gives media friendly athletes/coaches VIP treatment but hound-dogs anybody who appears standoffish.
Gotta disagree on the Rupp to Jager comparison. That's like saying,"Trump is in real estate and has bad fake hair and my dad is in real estate and has no hair, so they're equally shady."
Jager does not have a coach who's known him since he was 16, who admitted (almost pointlessly) that he used drugs during his own active career, who walks around with topical testosterone in a tubey-tube, and who encouraged Jager to use testosterone as a teenager. And that's apart from all of the other allegations by other athletes against Salazar, and the IV solution shenanigans, etc., etc. Ba-BOOM!
I don't think the Brojos have disproportionately gone after the NOP or Rupp, given the slew of stories about those dirty dirtbags in the real media. If Jager's group became the focus of tracky-track running's answer to Watergate, and the Brojos clammed up, that would be telling.
I'm with you on Radcliffe, but I doubt the Brojos think she's clean either. They, along with most of the rest of the world, are not in a position to push the issue. But talk to anyone with a smidgen of knowledge and no bias toward or against Radcliffe, and they will tell you they think the 2:15:25 is as diiiiiiiiirty as Hillary's pussyhat.
Canova is a joke, well, not a joke because he ruthlessly does what he can do make bank off fast marathoners, so he's successful. But people are thrown off by the fact that he knows a ton about marathon training, legit. But I don't know why people think that means he's not all about the doping, as if it's EITHER Renato is shady OR he's knowledgeable. That's like saying EITHER someone is a dooooooooh-per OR she just works magically hard -- and even the dingdongs in this place don't but that last bit anymore....that said Aden looks dirtier than Canova because he was dumb enough to be too close to his own stash. Renato would not do that. Fact.
And this ferichs girl or so. Never does anything then smashes her pr by 20 seconds at the WC race
The right comparison wrote:
It’s not that people think Jager is dirty.
They don't? The IAAF ranked him as number 1 of the most likely dopers (worldwide!), which is actually comically short according to the Tubingen/Harvard/IAAF study that found over 40% to be drug cheats.
Hi explanation (altitude) does not sound very unique. If that were enough, everyone would be on that list. And then still one would wonder why he was the most suspicious one.
The right comparison wrote:
It’s not that people think Jager is dirty. It’s that arguments about Rupp’s improvement are also true about Solinsky, ritz, and Jager. Their speed and PRs improved at the same age. So the Brojos should be clear about those points when making the case against Rupp.
They should also acknowledge that some of these runners also used Dr Brown, testoboost, etc. just like Salazar. I would appreciate it if they spell all of that out or don’t just argue those points against Rupp. Also, citing Magness all the time is kind of odd. The guy participated in the whole thing, had a lot of his story questioned (and did not respond), and I think he also used some of the same medications as an athlete.
Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:
Gotta disagree on the Rupp to Jager comparison. That's like saying,"Trump is in real estate and has bad fake hair and my dad is in real estate and has no hair, so they're equally shady."
Jager does not have a coach who's known him since he was 16, who admitted (almost pointlessly) that he used drugs during his own active career, who walks around with topical testosterone in a tubey-tube, and who encouraged Jager to use testosterone as a teenager. And that's apart from all of the other allegations by other athletes against Salazar, and the IV solution shenanigans, etc., etc. Ba-BOOM!
I don't think the Brojos have disproportionately gone after the NOP or Rupp, given the slew of stories about those dirty dirtbags in the real media. If Jager's group became the focus of tracky-track running's answer to Watergate, and the Brojos clammed up, that would be telling.
I'm with you on Radcliffe, but I doubt the Brojos think she's clean either. They, along with most of the rest of the world, are not in a position to push the issue. But talk to anyone with a smidgen of knowledge and no bias toward or against Radcliffe, and they will tell you they think the 2:15:25 is as diiiiiiiiirty as Hillary's pussyhat.
Canova is a joke, well, not a joke because he ruthlessly does what he can do make bank off fast marathoners, so he's successful. But people are thrown off by the fact that he knows a ton about marathon training, legit. But I don't know why people think that means he's not all about the doping, as if it's EITHER Renato is shady OR he's knowledgeable. That's like saying EITHER someone is a dooooooooh-per OR she just works magically hard -- and even the dingdongs in this place don't but that last bit anymore....that said Aden looks dirtier than Canova because he was dumb enough to be too close to his own stash. Renato would not do that. Fact.
I think you are wrong. I think many believe the status of the doping report, Jager " likely doping" . They put together values that would conclude 'likely doping" , and Jager fit those values. All we have seen from the Yager defenders is, he is nice, well liked, speaks English, American, and non NOP .
all drug cheats out wrote:
Hi explanation (altitude) does not sound very unique. If that were enough, everyone would be on that list. And then still one would wonder why he was the most suspicious one.
When any clean-ish athlete goes to altitude, it changes blood values in a way that triggers a suspicious score. In the very unlikely scenario where an athlete gets tested, The athlete can then legitimately explain it away. Now you've got the perfect excuse to dope. It's a huge hole.
Fact King wrote:
First and foremost, one of those bans was for f***en Adderall. Something he had been taken for 10 years prior to that sentence.
An elite international athlete that can't be bothered to follow basic rules deserves a sanction.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Fact King wrote:
First and foremost, one of those bans was for f***en Adderall. Something he had been taken for 10 years prior to that sentence.
An elite international athlete that can't be bothered to follow basic rules deserves a sanction.
Except he was a kid in college at the time. More than likely did whatever the coaches/athletic department told him to and assumed he was ok.
Something is not sitting right with this story. As has been mentioned, nobody in their right mind is going to pay $250K for something that is only worth about 1% or less of that. Do you know of anyone who will pay a quarter million for a car that can be bought almost anywhere in the world for a couple grand?
Because this is so farfetched, it seems extremely unlikely Mitchell and Wagner would go along with someone suggesting this. It sounds like a setup or scam immediately. Why would they talk to a stranger who is acting extremely naive about something that is illegal?
I fully believe Gatlin's agent and coach are well-versed when it comes to cheating. Most pros talk to one another, so even if you aren't doing it you know about it when you've been in the sport long enough. Still, the way the conversation supposedly went seems farfetched.
It's also suspicious the way Gatlin acts shocked about Mitchell.
I don't really trust any part of this story. I don't trust the people who wrote the story. I don't trust Mitchell. I don't trust Wagner. And I don't trust Gatlin.
I doubt we'll ever know what really went down here. Either way that doesn't change the fact that there will always be some cheating with anything humans compete at, but place artificial rules upon that can't truly be enforced.
If you want people to stop cheating you have to take the rules away. There is no other way. There never has been and there never will be.
NotQuite wrote:
Except he was a kid in college at the time.
Except he was an adult at the time.
He was rightfully banned, as also made clear after his appeal (which only decreased the ban).
Don't start re-writing history for this double drug cheat, likely soon-to-be triple drug cheat.
cheat cheat cheat wrote:
NotQuite wrote:
Except he was a kid in college at the time.
Except he was an adult at the time.
He was rightfully banned, as also made clear after his appeal (which only decreased the ban).
Don't start re-writing history for this double drug cheat, likely soon-to-be triple drug cheat.
I hope he's not likely a "soon-to-be triple drug cheat." That would ruin everthing for him since he's worked so hard this year winning gold at the WCs and beating Bolt. Listen to the press conference after WCs - a standup, sincere guy. Even after the doping question was made by one of the journalists, he didn't get defensive and answered the question very professionally. I hope there's nothing to this - it would be catastrophic for USATF. I think many fans would throw in the towel...for good this time.
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