Congrats to Dylan Jacobs & Claudia Lane for winning Baby Nats

Posters are overlooking comparative rest for these runners. Runners who opted out of FLR were more rested than runners who did both. Not surprisingly, relative to track prs, NXN only runners ran slightly better at NXN than boys who doubled up.

Similarly, boys who didn't qualify for/ or opted out of NXN were more rested at FLN than runners who doubled back. The fact that (some) rested 9:20ish guys beat (some) 9 flat guys on their 4th race in as many weekends shouldn't be shocking.

At the end of the day, NXN and FL are both just high quality schoolboy races and the results don't mean much long term. Plenty of FL/NXN stars regress in college while runners who didnt qualify for either go on to be D1 All-Americans. I highly doubt college coaches really care how a recruit finishes at either race.

Hmm, here are the last 4 Boys Champions from Foot Locker (2012-2016). How does NXN stack up in that time frame?

Grant Fisher - sub-4:00 high school miler; 3:42/13:30; future Olympian

Andrew Hunter - sub-4:00 high school miler; current professional adidas Runner

Ed Cheserek - greatest NCAA Division I Collegiate Runner of All-Time, current professional

Reed Brown - sub-4:00 high school miler

http://www.footlockercc.com/history/alltimeboychamps.php

Girls aren't too shabby either -

Sarah Hall - only American to ever win US Titles from Mile to Marathon

Jordan Hasay - future Olympian; 2nd Fastest All-Time American Female Marathoner

Molly Seidel - multiple NCAA Division I Champion; current professional runner

Anna Rohrer - #7 all-time NCAA Division I 10,000m / Top 3 NCAA Cross Country

http://www.footlockercc.com/history/alltimegirlchamps.php

11th Place Ribbon wrote:

At the end of the day, NXN and FL are both just high quality schoolboy races and the results don't mean much long term. Plenty of FL/NXN stars regress in college... I highly doubt college coaches really care how a recruit finishes at either race.

Agreed

Let's look at the past national champions (in recent years)

2016 Clinger (NXN) top freshman at 2017 NCAA XC

2015 Hunter (FL) ran 3:36.7 as a "freshman"

2014 FIsher (FL) 5000m NCAA champion

2013 FIsher (FL) see above

2012 Ches (FL) multiple NCAA champion

2011 Ches (FL) see above

Awesome running by both of them wrote:

Both fields were much stronger than the team meet a week ago.

So if you want to say Lane and Jacobs won that baby meet too that is fine with me.

Jacobs admitted post race he was taking it easy all season, pointing for this one race yesterday.

Because Footlocker Nationals was the only one that matter to him.

He's a smart fellow, and he trashed everyone yesterday, when it counted.

naj` wrote:

Hmm, here are the last 4 Boys Champions from Foot Locker (2012-2016). How does NXN stack up in that time frame?

Grant Fisher - sub-4:00 high school miler; 3:42/13:30; future Olympian

Andrew Hunter - sub-4:00 high school miler; current professional adidas Runner

Ed Cheserek - greatest NCAA Division I Collegiate Runner of All-Time, current professional

Reed Brown - sub-4:00 high school miler

http://www.footlockercc.com/history/alltimeboychamps.php

Girls aren't too shabby either -

Sarah Hall - only American to ever win US Titles from Mile to Marathon

Jordan Hasay - future Olympian; 2nd Fastest All-Time American Female Marathoner

Molly Seidel - multiple NCAA Division I Champion; current professional runner

Anna Rohrer - #7 all-time NCAA Division I 10,000m / Top 3 NCAA Cross Country

Well of course when you look at the facts, the Footlocker National Championship is by far the best meet around.

naj` wrote:

Hmm, here are the last 4 Boys Champions from Foot Locker (2012-2016). How does NXN stack up in that time frame?

Grant Fisher - sub-4:00 high school miler; 3:42/13:30; future Olympian

Andrew Hunter - sub-4:00 high school miler; current professional adidas Runner

Ed Cheserek - greatest NCAA Division I Collegiate Runner of All-Time, current professional

Reed Brown - sub-4:00 high school miler

Girls aren't too shabby either -

Sarah Hall - only American to ever win US Titles from Mile to Marathon

Jordan Hasay - future Olympian; 2nd Fastest All-Time American Female Marathoner

Molly Seidel - multiple NCAA Division I Champion; current professional runner

Anna Rohrer - #7 all-time NCAA Division I 10,000m / Top 3 NCAA Cross Country

Plus both the girls and boys fields yesterday were much deeper with top talent than the previous week prelims.

Congratulations to all the qualifiers and the champions in both races. These are high school kids. This trolling of 16 and 17 and 18-year-olds drives me nuts. These speculative comparisons remind me of the question: I wonder who would win a race - Flash or Superman?? I ran a 9:21 2-mile in HS (it was 2-mile then) and I thought I was pretty good. These FL boys and a huge share of NXN boys would kick my ass. A couple of the girls ran as fast as I did when I was a freshman. As for the times, I'm originally from the Midwest and now live in LA. With the dry air and smoke the last week - my throat burns when I run. Not fun. Just because the sun is shining does not mean the conditions are ideal. I' d be remiss if I did not say special congrats to all the future Domers in the race, Jacobs, Kilrea, Kreft, and Gaughan on the girls side. Good luck in school and running and life. Go Irish.

Well said, except the ND part... lol.

For the life of me I can not understand why people who say they are fans of the sport want to disparage these HS kids and trash the two meets that companies actually spend money on promoting the sport. Comments that one meet is dead or baby nats or the JV race do nothing to promote the sport. Why would you want to promote one over the other??? To get one to have fewer and fewer participants so it eventually gets eliminated... seems like that would be counter productive to promoting a sport that few follow anyway.

Just drop the negative crap about FL and NXN... and support the sport.

agreed... wrote:

Comments that one meet is dead or baby nats

You do know this site originated the term "baby nats?"

This thread made me laugh.

I loved the term Baby Nats. Got to be able to take a joke.

Travelling to Foot Locker has to be more expensive for a lot of the country since there are only 4 regions. Has there been any talk of adding regions? Even if they just did 6 regions, could drop back to 8 runners qualifying from each region.

Do individuals and teams at the nationals of all of these events get free transportation and hotel? Or are some of the teams paying their own way?

wejo wrote:

This thread made me laugh.

That's cause you started it, wejo.

Literally the only thing missing from Footlocker was K. Touhy but hopefully we see the big showdown next year.

running commenter wrote:

Literally the only thing missing from Footlocker was K. Touhy but hopefully we see the big showdown next year.

And Chmiel and Troutner and Hasty and Anderson andMwauri but other than those.....

mkay wrote:

running commenter wrote:

Literally the only thing missing from Footlocker was K. Touhy but hopefully we see the big showdown next year.

And Chmiel and Troutner and Hasty and Anderson andMwauri but other than those.....

+1

Lol @ the "only" thing missing being the greatest female HS'er of all time.

All the negativity comes from NIke execs, who's only job is to sit a board room and troll the LRC boards.

Wejo is sadly in their pockets, does the same thing and then laughs about it.

FL = D2 wrote:

Lol @ the "only" thing missing being the greatest female HS'er of all time.

And Ayana's not in high school anymore. Oh well, back to the board room.