Senator exposed for molesting woman while she was asleep on a plane. This thread means nothing without pics? Click and find

atlas riser wrote:

Trump chimes in on Franken sexual harassment, dubs him 'Al Frankenstein!! hahahahahhaa. Trump wins again!

Does anybody pay any attention to what Trump says anymore? I thought most people realized by now that he suffers from chronic verbal diarrhea.

Perhaps you are one of the few who still hang on his every word.

pfff 10's of millions of Liberals hang on every word Trump says, so they can cry and scream and Tweet all day bout how evil he is!!

It's pretty clear he wasn't touching her in the photo due to the shadows under his hands which wouldn't exist if there was contact.

It's also clear that they weren't alone when the photo was taken as there is a photographer taking the photo. How can she claim she was groped while at the same time stating she had no knowledge of the "incident" until finding the photo in her album.

She was a Playboy model at the time and if you Google search her the top hits will be of her exposed breasts. If I was a comedian paired up with a pornography model for a military event I'd probably make a joke about that too, it's the only thing he has to work with. That's essentially the only reason they sent a porn model with Franken in the first place, for some dumb boob jokes to get a laugh out of tired soldiers fighting in Iraq.

This does not in any way reduce the severity of groping - if it did actually occur, of which there is no evidence - but lends background to why Franken would make that kind of joke. There's nothing substantial nor illegal here with the information we've been given, just dumb joking around that is being overhyped because of the recent actual harassment cases.

I'm not sure about the kissing allegation. It's her word against his and I'm pretty sure it's "innocent until proven guilty". I don't think that's enough to warrant a resignation at all. Really, I mean if you think he's represented his state well until now, what does this change exactly? How much is she getting paid for appearances now?

So I guess we wait to see if any further allegations arise, and if they are at all credible. This one is not a credible allegation g unless new evidence is brought forth.

Honestly though, if Al is stupid enough to resign he should just start preparing for the 2022 Presidential Election. What's the count so far, Al 1: Trump 16?

PIO! wrote:

Frankensteen wrote:

I've been sick of this jerk for a long, long time. Karma is a beotch. Time for a resignation.

I kind of like(d) Franken. He seems intelligent and effective.

He should also resign and spend the rest of his years in anonymity.

Yep. It's a shame. He is a smart guy, but you just can't do what he did and is accused of doing (which I believe). There should be no allegiance to party when something like this happens. Both Democrats and Republicans have been guilty of such untoward things, so neither one can point a finger at the other. We should all look at each person as an individual, not as a representation of the party.

Franken should resign. That's a shame, but he should.

The groping clearly didn’t happen from the photo. So, all that remains is a kiss she didn’t like. She was hired as an actress to entertain the troops. Their was a kiss in the script. I guess she’s more comfortable posing nude than an acting role that requires a kiss? It’s an odd story to wait so long to complain about. Clearly her real talent and comfort zone is exposing her breasts etc., which I’m guessing she now believes she did for the purpose of female empowerment and not for the purpose of male masturbation. I’m sure the thought that guys out there may masturbate to all of her readily available nude photos online is also a real violation. Animals staring at photos of her breasts, how dare they!

Subject should be "Senator accused of molesting sleeping woman on plane". The picture of Franken doesn't show him touching Tweeden. It shows him mugging for camera while pretending to touch her or about to. You can clearly see shadow of his left hand on her flack jacket and his right hand doesn't seem to be extended far enough to be touching her either. Until we receive report of him actually touching her, saying he molested her while she slept is an accusation and the picture only proves sophomore sense of humor.

If you listen to Tweeden talk about the tour, IMO, she comes off as someone obviously grossed out and feeling violated by the forced French kiss and she held a justifiable grudge against Franken for doing that. But this really reads to me like Franken tricked her into practice kiss for the skit and then took advantage of it - either as joke or for himself. He shouldn't have done it, but he did. Tweeden felt obviously violated, grossed out and justifiably upset - probably mad at herself too b/c she agreed to kiss and Franken took advantage. Then Franken seems to have kept needling her throughout the tour - maybe as payback for feeling insulted at rejection or maybe he just liked getting a rise out of her. Then the sleeping picture seems like a final "gotcha", like he did it knowing Tweeden would see it and that it'd upset her.

But the idea that Franken would kiss her privately but be bold enough to actually feel her up in front of people and for camera doesn't follow. Also the fact that she waited eleven years to say anything and then only comes out now as this MeToo movement is taking off reads as exploitatious. So...she puts her career first and earned 100s of 1000s, if not millions for the last decade and if she actually believed Franken did molest her, meanwhile for all she knew she was letting him get away with it, maybe doing it to other people. But now she can say she's coming out to empower others. Sorry, but reads to me like grudge combined with attention-seeking given just what we know now. And she exploits movement, uses words that might not be justified and no news anchor is going to say "well, are you sure he really groped you while you slept?"

Can you see? wrote:

Except his hands aren’t actually touching her in this photo.

Is there a photo of him actually gropping her? Hopefully while not wearing a Kevlar vest. Shouldn’t he be grabbing her by the pvssy like Trump instructed Americans to do?

Watch though - a comedian hamming it up in front of the camera with a playboy model is going to be the Trump supporter equivalent of a guy in his 30’s going after teenagers.

Idiot.

So many folks in this thread are partisan hacks. Look, sexual harassment/assault/pedo stuff is flat out wrong regardless of whether the perp is a D or an R. It was wrong when Bill Clinton did it. It was wrong when Clarence Thomas did it. It was wrong when Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Wiener, Dennis Hastert, Kevin Spacey, Al Frankenstein and—yes—Roy Moore—did it.

Are any of you capable of taking an ethical stand on an issue and then sticking to it even when the perp is someone that has similar political beliefs as you?

All of the above perps should be punished for their actions. This means job loss, resigning your position, impeachment, dropping out of a political race and possibly jail time depending on the situation. Why is this so hard for you political hacks to understand?

Are their any Ds or Rs out there who can be consistent about their views regardless of political implications?

Franken, Weinstein, Weiner. So many filthy Jews.

He applogized. She accepted.

It's over folks. It didn't give you the result you wanted. Move along now.

His approach is all wrong. Obviously didn't use tic tacs prior and he is grabbing way to high. Needs to grab by hooha where it really counts. When will libs learn? If you want conservative evangelical support you need to actually grab the women, sad.

This narrative that he is not touching her breasts in the photo is false.

His right hand is clearly on her breast.

This rush to defend Franken is frightening

I bet you believe all those people in their photos are really holding the Eiffel Tower in their hand. Amazing stuff. I wonder how they do it. Idiot.

Anti-harasser_a_real_1 wrote:

So many folks in this thread are partisan hacks.

That's the leadership of our president.

He tweets jokes about Franken and stays silent on Moore (and himself).

Actually my friend, YOU and YOUR ANALYSIS are the problem right now. This rush to equalize each and every accusation or occurrence of sexual impropriety or sexual assault is absurd and going to create the backlash that will hurt women more than not punishing those that deserved to be punished.

Firstly, not all accusations are equal. Some are a he-said she-said with zero corroboration or other strong proof. Some accusations are false, and we all know this. This recent attitude of "ALWAYS believe the accuser" is complete BS. We've all seen many recent high-profile cases of made-up or greatly exaggerated accusations. ALWAYS take an accuser seriously, and don't doubt unless you have reason to doubt. But never simply believe 100% and punish the accused without a proper vetting of all facts.

Secondly, and more to the point of your post, it's completely stupid and harmful to equate rape and/or sexual abuse of children with a kiss forced on someone under the guise of a comedy skit (which was still not cool, but it wasn't rape) and then a photo where someone pretends to touch another person in a sexual manner. If you can't see the difference between these situations, you are incredibly ignorant or mentally lazy.

I've had drunken married women sneak a kiss on me (I'm married too and they knew it) when drunk at a party (they sort of go for the cheek but then "slip" to put one on the lips) a couple of times. I had this one girl I worked with at the airport grabbing a$$ of a few guys (including me) as she would walk by us at work in a "joking" manner, but certainly without permission. Should I go find these people, go to the police/publish on the world wide web these accusations, go to their bosses and try and get them fired??? of course not, that would be insane. So stop being ridiculous .

Al Franken acted like a douchebag with a playboy model. That wasn't cool. She was right to bring it up and ask for an apology. If this is his one and only instance of such behavior to try and severely punish him for it would be beyond absurd. (if there are many more similar instances, that's different, but we haven't heard of that......yet).

Stop equating a kiss with rape or child molestation. The kiss was still offensive, but it wasn't what you are equating too. Not even close.

Hired as an actress wrote:

The groping clearly didn’t happen from the photo. So, all that remains is a kiss she didn’t like. She was hired as an actress to entertain the troops. Their was a kiss in the script. I guess she’s more comfortable posing nude than an acting role that requires a kiss? It’s an odd story to wait so long to complain about. Clearly her real talent and comfort zone is exposing her breasts etc., which I’m guessing she now believes she did for the purpose of female empowerment and not for the purpose of male masturbation. I’m sure the thought that guys out there may masturbate to all of her readily available nude photos online is also a real violation. Animals staring at photos of her breasts, how dare they!

You must have missed the part where she described what happened off screen.

Oh wait, you were too busy making shit up to ascribe to her. That would explain it. Can't expect you to understand the real world when you are occupied creating fantasies. That would be asking too much.

"Allegedly" happened off screen.

This is a non-story because a) he didn't touch her, as shown in the photo, b) kissing her is in the script, c) faking sexual acts and sexual innuendo is part of the whole military entertainment routine with the playboy bunnies, d) he apologized sincerely.

By contrast, what I understand about Roy Moore is not just that there are numerous accusers but that when he was a 30 year old prosecutor or state lawyer or something like that, he brought a 14 year old girl back home, stripped her to her underwear, etc., an absolutely serious allegation.

zxcvcxvcxzv wrote:

This is a non-story because a) he didn't touch her, as shown in the photo, b) kissing her is in the script, c) faking sexual acts and sexual innuendo is part of the whole military entertainment routine with the playboy bunnies, d) he apologized sincerely.

By contrast, what I understand about Roy Moore is not just that there are numerous accusers but that when he was a 30 year old prosecutor or state lawyer or something like that, he brought a 14 year old girl back home, stripped her to her underwear, etc., an absolutely serious allegation.

Great! So this means you can go up to a woman and act like you're going to grab her boobs? Just so long as you don't actually touch them? Cool. Good luck with that.