Are the top HS boys really doing 80-100mpw?

Been there too wrote:

CA hs coach wrote:

Matt jonsrud and Phil Reid were two CA state champs in the mile in the recent past.

Reid was from the section I coach in.

Both those guys ran 4:10 and became state champs of the hardest state in the nation off of 30mpw.

Unfortunately they both went to cal poly slo with the hack coach mark conover and never developed much.

But it can be done.

Your runners also weren't prepared for college training based off of 30mpw in HS. Coaches in HS who think low mileage will keep their stars in the sport long term are delusional. Most low mileage HS runners are out of the sport within 2 years of HS. They can't handle the transition in training.

Dumb post is dumb. A college coach, if he can't figure out how to train a kid who ran 30-35 mpw in high school, just shouldn't recruit that kid. Part of the problem is the best coaches in the sport are at the high school level to begin with and they can get results while keeping the kids in one piece. Seems like many college coaches just try to throw mileage at their kids and keep the ones who don't break. How much knowledge and expertise does that take?

Affolder was running 4:07 and 8:52 off of 25-30 mpw back in NY

A friend of mine can't handle mileage and trains between 30 and 40 miles a week yet has a 4:15/9:12 set of track PRs.

Younger Brother wrote:

Affolder was running 4:07 and 8:52 off of 25-30 mpw back in NY

SOURCE?????

doubt that was happening

Increasing weekly mileage will help you improve from one training cycle to the next but you never want to get to high in weekly mileage while in high school. Most of these elite high school runners that run high mileage will have a difficult time improving once they start a college training program.

slwes wrote:

Younger Brother wrote:

Affolder was running 4:07 and 8:52 off of 25-30 mpw back in NY

SOURCE?????

doubt that was happening

It's believable. This was before he ran his sub-9, but he tells Marc Bloom that he keeps it under 40 mpw here in 2015:

Oh? wrote:

slwes wrote:

SOURCE?????

doubt that was happening

It's believable. This was before he ran his sub-9, but he tells Marc Bloom that he keeps it under 40 mpw here in 2015:

https://www.runnersworld.com/high-school/noah-affolder-socks-it-to-the-competition

Also, he states that he doubled his mileage after he transferred to Carlisle PA here:

which was after he made his big jump and ran 4:07y/8:47.

Interesting to note that doubling his mileage (presumably from 25-35 most weeks and 40 max to somewhere near 50-70 mpw and 80 max) barely resulted in any improvement for him:

14:14.9 at McQuaid to 14:12.7

12:14.3 at Manhattan to 12:10.6

15:23.9 at FLNE to 15:28.2

15:33.0 at FLN to 15:10.3

4:07.33 mile to 4:07.24

8:47.60 3200m to 8:46.08y

(and then got injured later that spring)

... pretty "average" (at best) improvement for a guy despite doubling his workload, which ended up in his getting injured.

RejectRunner wrote:

or 40

Webb ran 4:06 his sophomore year off 40 mpw.

I ran 80+ mpw goimg into my senior year and i was not close to being elite

So i definitely think that some of the top guys are hitting upwards of 100 mpw

warm up champ wrote:

I ran 80+ mpw goimg into my senior year and i was not close to being elite

So i definitely think that some of the top guys are hitting upwards of 100 mpw

You assume people all have the same talent level as you. Know this: there are kids walking around this country who could run a 4:15 off 10 miles a week. Hell, there's a verified story of a guy from CA who was the starting QB on a top tier team who would come out for track and won the CIF championship in 4:06. If you have it, you have it, and those kids can run freak times without running half of what you did.

Someone who knows wrote:

Kol j wrote:

Not all of them.

Some of them run 40, 50, 60 an even 30

There are not any high school elite runners running 30 a week.

Disagree. Eric Jenkins ran 25 mpw and had pr's of 15:25/4:15. I'm sure he could have had better times at 30-35mpw too. his mileage was paltry, i've talked to his coach before

NCProud wrote:

Increasing weekly mileage will help you improve from one training cycle to the next but you never want to get to high in weekly mileage while in high school. Most of these elite high school runners that run high mileage will have a difficult time improving once they start a college training program.

Any scientific sources on that? Thanks.

Splits Guy wrote:

I knew a guy in high school that ran 30 miles a week and ran 4:12 for a mile and 15:20 XC 5k. Obviously he wasn't elite by some standards but he was pretty legit. That's the biggest exception I know. I do generally agree that most top high school guys are doing 60+. I actually know quite a few personally that ran 70-90 pretty regularly.

When was he running 30 mpw? Jim Ryun ran 30 mpw in college but only for a short duration when

he was cutting down before a big racing period.

In addition we hear all kinds of extremes. One guy will say he runs 100 mpw, when in reality he runs closer to 80. Another guy will say he runs 20 mpw, when in fact he runs nearly 40.

We also have those who say the ran 10 miles in 50 minutes. However how accurate was their training course for that. He may not even know that it was only 9.7 miles!

no they're doing 10mpw