Flanagan vs. Trump: Shalane Flanagan gets huge opinion piece in NY Times that ends with comparison of her feminism vs. Trump's f

Are people here serious at all? Are the moderators of this website so sensitive that they have to add the following right under the article, "Can we not keep politics out of the first American women’s win in NY in 40 years?" Why does this upset you so much and why is this what you and others are choosing to focus on?

The bottom line is the article focuses on how Shalane helped to grow the women's BTC team and was a huge help for many of the other athletes who came after her. Why aren't we focusing on that and the fact that it's being covered in a huge newspaper?

LouisCK wrote:

Every single one of her training partners — 11 women in total — has made it to the Olympics while training with her

Can anyone name all 11?

I had no idea ivanka Trump or shalane are 'feminists'. Just prominent/successful women.

Is Jordan hasay a feminist? Sort of an outdated concept.

1. Infeld

2. Cragg

3. Frerichs

4. Houlihan

5. Goucher?

I'm stuck.

rising strong wrote:

LouisCK wrote:

Every single one of her training partners — 11 women in total — has made it to the Olympics while training with her

Can anyone name all 11?

I had no idea ivanka Trump or shalane are 'feminists'. Just prominent/successful women.

Is Jordan hasay a feminist? Sort of an outdated concept.

1. Infeld

2. Cragg

3. Frerichs

4. Houlihan

5. Goucher?

I'm stuck.

Brain fart.

Goucher was nop. So scratch her.

FightFor15 wrote:

Are people here serious at all? Are the moderators of this website so sensitive that they have to add the following right under the article, "Can we not keep politics out of the first American women’s win in NY in 40 years?" Why does this upset you so much and why is this what you and others are choosing to focus on?

The bottom line is the article focuses on how Shalane helped to grow the women's BTC team and was a huge help for many of the other athletes who came after her. Why aren't we focusing on that and the fact that it's being covered in a huge newspaper?

Because the New York Times chose to make it a political and personal attack rather than focusing on that second part where you (we) agree on what the focus should be.

This. What does success in athletics have to do with feminism? A bigger question than the original subject. That article was absolutely terrible except the aspect that she pulled up other athletes as a group. Kipchoge has done the same for his fellow athletes, but people aren't making him some activist.

Bubbadeeboos wrote:

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I don’t get why people are saying critiquing Ivanka’s ideas about feminism is off topic or a ‘swipe’... it is the entire topic (ie Ivanka has a misguided conception of feminism and something in the vein of what Flanagan exhibits is what we should pursue).

If you disagree with it, then disagree with it, but don’t get all but hurt about it. Ivanka has been acting as the American delegate to ‘women’s empowerment’ type international events, written books (or at least had them ghost written for her) about women’s role in society, and otherwise presented herself/her ideas as feminist. She’s fair game for criticism.

Agree. The theme of the article is Shalane as a role model for females. The author contrasts Shalane with Ivanka to illustrate a point.

rising strong wrote:

Sort of an outdated concept.

Feminism is the 21st century has become synonymous with misandry. We need a new term to describe the type of feminism that doesn't feature the man-hating aspect.

Wbat a crap article. She does NOT "elevate other women" (see petty comments toward Hasay). Sorry - I've watched her for many years - and always found it difficult to be a "fan." This author was wearing particularly rose-colored glasses.

The lefty liberal commie pinkos have done a good job dividing people into categories, now it's an all out war using gender politics as a weapon. Pretty soon you won't be able to compliment a women on her looks without being charged with sexual harassment.

MAGA

rising strong wrote:

rising strong wrote:

I had no idea ivanka Trump or shalane are 'feminists'. Just prominent/successful women.

Is Jordan hasay a feminist? Sort of an outdated concept.

1. Infeld

2. Cragg

3. Frerichs

4. Houlihan

5. Goucher?

I'm stuck.

Brain fart.

Goucher was nop. So scratch her.

Didn't Goucher train with Shalane after leaving NOP? I think the author was including non-BTC training partners.

Also around the 2012 Olympics when Goucher and Shalane started training together, I remember reading some quote about someone reaching out to Jerry Schumacher about joining BTC prior to that and being told something along the lines of 'It's Shalane's group, you have to go through her.'

WHY DO BROJOS SPLASH SUCH A CRAP ARTICLE? Just because it was via NYT, and they support anyone who is anti-NOP? A VERY small part of me is happy Shalane won NYC. Very small.

RacingtheCanteloupe wrote:

I detest Trump as much as anyone.

I cannot stand the man. He is an embarrassment to our fair republic.

But I have to agree that the chunk about Mrs. Trump should have been left on the cutting room floor. I read this on the NYT website this morning before I even saw this thread on LRC. My reaction was the same—what not leave that part out? It is jarring, off-topic, and seems determined to alienate.

But you support Hillary, right? Wow, big difference. If she had won, then you'd have been better off by how? That's what I thought. Learn to "think" before you vote.

If you can put how much you detest Trump, others can stay that they can't stand Hillary. This is a fair republic, right?

Go Shalane!!!!!

Defined wrote:

rising strong wrote:

Sort of an outdated concept.

Feminism is the 21st century has become synonymous with misandry. We need a new term to describe the type of feminism that doesn't feature the man-hating aspect.

No, you don't. It has never featured man-hating. That is just something the alt-right has drummed up.

Great win for her = great win for America? Huh?

I saw her in the last 400m. Awesome race but to extrapolate from that the author's premise just doesn't work.

There's also something disturbingly perfect about her.

Once again I respect Shalane's running accomplishments, but there is something about her personality that I don't like.

Also, I don't find her very attractive, is that wrong to say?

MAGA

Democrats have ruined football, now they are onto distance running.

Does the author realize that a woman wins the NYC marathon, against other women, every year? Don’t see why am American doing it is suddenly feminist.

Agreed, its crap. wrote:

WHY DO BROJOS SPLASH SUCH A CRAP ARTICLE? Just because it was via NYT, and they support anyone who is anti-NOP? A VERY small part of me is happy Shalane won NYC. Very small.

Agree. The brojos really aren't very smart about anything except maybe running. Everyone who's been here for longer than 3 days already knows that.

rising strong wrote:

LouisCK wrote:

Every single one of her training partners — 11 women in total — has made it to the Olympics while training with her

Can anyone name all 11?

I had no idea ivanka Trump or shalane are 'feminists'. Just prominent/successful women.

Is Jordan hasay a feminist? Sort of an outdated concept.

1. Infeld

2. Cragg

3. Frerichs

4. Houlihan

5. Goucher?

I'm stuck.

I had a similar reaction. I'm not aware of anything she's done that we might call activist, and I usually think of "feminist icons" as people who elevate women in a man's game, who take on some kind of patriarchal barrier. She apparently is a great teammate, a fierce competitor, and a talented athlete, but I don't think that makes her any more a feminist than the average woman? Seems to suggest that any successful woman must also be some kind of feminist- activist- empowering heroine. To be what the article describes, do you have to elevate women vis a vis men, or just if you elevate women in general?