According to Sally Bergesen, there's a Harvey Weinstein-type scandal in T&F???

What a catty 'see you next Tuesday'

Put up or shut up and stop pretending to be this bastion of female empowerment.

Do you know how many male coaches have had sexual relationships with their female athletes? Many.

Some are now married to them.

They hold a great deal of power over these women and should never be in a sexual relationship with any of them.

880 Coach wrote:

Do you know how many male coaches have had sexual relationships with their female athletes? Many.

Some are now married to them.

They hold a great deal of power over these women and should never be in a sexual relationship with any of them.

DING DING DING!!!

There are millions of people to fu*k; don't bang your athletes and, if you're a musician, don't bang your bandmates. It'd not difficult.

Because, "Players only love you when they're playin"

tooobvioussss wrote:Except there's actually nothing to coverup with NOP.

Salazar's many and varied doping efforts are completely made up. Dr. Brown isn't doping athletes because they never test positive. All the athletes sent to him from NOP is just a happy accident.

Could mean "silencing" allegations of doping rather than harrassment. But then again, who knows. I hope someone takes her up on the offer to investigate thoroughly.My thoughts about Weinstein:- he is probably not the only one in Hollywood. It was "the culture in the 60's and 70's", and I guess much hasn't changed since then.- this is not just a Hollywood problem - see Sarah Bee youtube link below showing headlines ranging from female doctors, females in tech industry, traders on Wall Street, in research, in the restaurant industry, even a case in Antarctica reported five days earlier, not mentioning the spooky parallels to recent scandals at Fox News, Bill Cosby, and the open mike on the Access Hollywood bus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8sFfsIiU2s

Semaphore Slim wrote:

Anyone know what she means by this?

https://i.imgur.com/3VwpQC6.png

On the other hand, who in the workplace hasn't seen women get promoted or a free pass on a screwup by playing the cute, hot, funny, sexy card, just so the management guys can invite her for drinks after work or on that Florida conference in the middle of winter. Not saying there was sex just the woman playing management doofuses as a career move. Its there too!

And many other schools at all levels with many women sports and probably a fair amount of male teams too.

CapnPerv wrote:

On the other hand, who in the workplace hasn't seen women get promoted or a free pass on a screwup by playing the cute, hot, funny, sexy card, just so the management guys can invite her for drinks after work or on that Florida conference in the middle of winter. Not saying there was sex just the woman playing management doofuses as a career move. Its there too!

Attractive people, both men and women, get free passes in life due to their attractiveness. The rest of us have to deal with them. I don’t foresee a backlash to attractiveness privilege anytime soon, or protection from discrimination for ugly people.

880 Coach wrote:

Do you know how many male coaches have had sexual relationships with their female athletes? Many.

Some are now married to them.

They hold a great deal of power over these women and should never be in a sexual relationship with any of them.

This is about sexual assault, not consensual sex.

I am pretty sure there are no coaches out there making and breaking women's athletic careers based on if whether or not coaches are allowed to assault them.

That's a Hollywood thing.

CapnPerv wrote:

On the other hand, who in the workplace hasn't seen women get promoted or a free pass on a screwup by playing the cute, hot, funny, sexy card, just so the management guys can invite her for drinks after work or on that Florida conference in the middle of winter. Not saying there was sex just the woman playing management doofuses as a career move. Its there too!

Much less than white males who are promoted across the board to the highest positions in just about every industry because of nepotism and the good ole boys club.

Not very many at all wrote:

CapnPerv wrote:

On the other hand, who in the workplace hasn't seen women get promoted or a free pass on a screwup by playing the cute, hot, funny, sexy card, just so the management guys can invite her for drinks after work or on that Florida conference in the middle of winter. Not saying there was sex just the woman playing management doofuses as a career move. Its there too!

Much less than white males who are promoted across the board to the highest positions in just about every industry because of nepotism and the good ole boys club.

That’s because they earned it, and everyone else is just stupid, lazy, weak, or a bunch of whiners!

There is a big difference between having sex with an athlete and sexual assault or harassment. Arizona throws coach was an extreme case. Let's not forget that about 20% of sexual harassment complaints are false and it is a scorned woman lashing out. Arizona was actual assault on top of obvious harassment. I can name dozens of coaches that had/have consenting relationships but that does not arrive at harassment. However, you open yourself up to potential false harassment claims if that sexual relationship ends poorly.

Yes, you wrote:

Coaches looking at this thread to see if they're outed

Are you talking about being outed for consensual relationships or for actual harassment? Not every case of consensual relationships elevates to harassment.

If a 21 year-old woman gets into a relationship with her 30-year old boss at Citibank, it is really news? We would consider that a grown woman with a grown man. But on this board we are acting like these same 21-year old women are just girls who are so weak that they can't make decisions on their own?

Are women strong or weak? Are they so frail that the only reason they must be dating their coach is because he controls them? But that same women in the working world is just a consenting adult dating an older man that happens to be her boss?

I don't understand given all of the fallout and finger pointing over the past week how she could post something like this and not follow up on it. I understand that women victimized by Weinstein felt hurt, vulnerable, in many cases unwilling or unable to speak out because of fear for their careers, their safety. In some cases they may not have realized that they weren't unique, that there were others who were assaulted or who would be in the future. I don't accept the argument that the women who failed to speak up are somehow culpable in the assaults that happened after theirs. But this post suggests that she knows of examples of repeated sexual assault but is being coy about the possibility of revealing the name of the person involved. This seems unconscionable.

Semaphore Slim wrote:

Anyone know what she means by this?

https://i.imgur.com/3VwpQC6.png

Lawyers, guys, it's always about the lawyers. If you can't prove something happened the powerful and deep pocketed will send their lawyers after you and destroy you. That's the way it works. So everyone wanting Sally to just spill the beans, it's more complicated than that. Sally is smart and recognizes it. She's hoping she's able to gather momentum behind the scenes and several people will come forward together. That's why the Weinstein story finally broke. The PR hit he took was impossible for even the best lawyers to overcome because of raw numbers. If there's something to this story that Sally is hinting at, until several women are willing to come forward publicly en masse, it'll stay quiet.

Let's not diminish the real issue by changing the subject.The issue is forcing women to do what they don't want to.

CapnPerv wrote:

On the other hand, who in the workplace hasn't seen women get promoted or a free pass on a screwup by playing the cute, hot, funny, sexy card, just so the management guys can invite her for drinks after work or on that Florida conference in the middle of winter. Not saying there was sex just the woman playing management doofuses as a career move. Its there too!

feldman wrote:

Lawyers, guys, it's always about the lawyers. If you can't prove something happened the powerful and deep pocketed will send their lawyers after you and destroy you. That's the way it works. So everyone wanting Sally to just spill the beans, it's more complicated than that. Sally is smart and recognizes it. She's hoping she's able to gather momentum behind the scenes and several people will come forward together. That's why the Weinstein story finally broke. The PR hit he took was impossible for even the best lawyers to overcome because of raw numbers. If there's something to this story that Sally is hinting at, until several women are willing to come forward publicly en masse, it'll stay quiet.

This is it. Also, just a casual read of the misogynistic comments on this board should help you understand why women are reluctant to come forward with complaints.