BYU's Casey Clinger Leaving For Mission After This Season

hgjhgjgk wrote:

Yep, the only college team that has an average age of 24 will continue to be one of the best. I can only imagine how much faster my team would have been if we all had "sophmore/junior" year off, then "senior" year redshirt, then 3 more years to compete. Sorry but if you decide to take two years off, you should lose 2 years of eligibility. Remember when Jared Ward got to race NCAA XC at 26?

Remember when he was 6th in the Olympics? Must have been quite a talent after all Hmm...doesn't seem like the mission really gave BYU such an unfair advantage after all.

Are you kidding? Leaving for a mission almost a decade before gave Jared Ward a totally unfair advantage in the Olympics. Had he not taken 2 years completely off in the middle of his college career he would never have rested up to become an All American in college, let alone an Olympian a few years after.

He was 2 years older during college which has been proven to be advantageous (based on all of the scientific data provided by other letsrun posters), whether or not he had just regressed to the abilities of his 14 yr old self and faced a much higher chance of injury and/or never getting back into competition shape.

The only reason other colleges like NAU, Colorado, Stanford, and more don’t take a 2 year hiatus in the name of the military or a made up religion (but actually train instead of losing years of progress) for the sake of getting faster is because they’re just stupid. After all, that’s why the BYU athletic department and the Mormons in general encourage the mission right? All non-athlete Mormons going on the mission is a cover up for BYUs true intention of bettering its athletes.

#sneakyBYU

How many actual converts do they make?

I don't wanna say this is a shame, but there goes the potential for such an amazing running career. Clearly the best frosh in the NCAA right now and I could see him run really fast on the track this year too. Maybe he'll reconsider if BYU wins NCAAs.

PrZ wrote:

I don't wanna say this is a shame, but there goes the potential for such an amazing running career. Clearly the best frosh in the NCAA right now and I could see him run really fast on the track this year too. Maybe he'll reconsider if BYU wins NCAAs.

God will honor those that honor Him. There are many things much more important than running.

$!#/ wrote:

PrZ wrote:

I don't wanna say this is a shame, but there goes the potential for such an amazing running career. Clearly the best frosh in the NCAA right now and I could see him run really fast on the track this year too. Maybe he'll reconsider if BYU wins NCAAs.

God will honor those that honor Him. There are many things much more important than running.

Not on this site there aren't 😉

PrZ wrote:

I don't wanna say this is a shame, but there goes the potential for such an amazing running career. Clearly the best frosh in the NCAA right now and I could see him run really fast on the track this year too. Maybe he'll reconsider if BYU wins NCAAs.

Clinger was not the best freshman at pre-nats, nor was he all that far ahead of the third freshman in his race.

Haha is that so? I could pick apart your post but I don’t think this is the place for it. One thing to consider though, if our religion is so corrupt, why then spend so much time digging so deeply and with such heavy bias into our religious history? Would such an obviously terrible organization, or an organization founded by such a terrible man, not be a waste of your time to scrutinize? By all means continue, but do so objectively, looking into the good as well as the bad, or move along.

Henry B's Nosering wrote:

$!#/ wrote:

God will honor those that honor Him. There are many things much more important than running.

Age and roster size has never mattered to Mormons. Joseph Smith married teenage girls (as young as 14) when he was in his late 30's, and his roster size of wives was around 30. We don't know his exact roster size of wives because he was so secretive about it. He lied to his own wife and openly preached that he wasn't a polygamist.

God will honor those that honor Him with many wives in heaven. Having many wives and not caring about age is much more important than running

Please enlighten me on what in my post could be "picked apart." I'd love to hear a good argument to help me understand how Joseph Smith wasn't a sexual deviant. I was a member of the LDS church for a good portion of my life. Missionaries converted me to the church on false premises. I don't blame the missionaries, because they were also victims of falling for the false narrative of the LDS church. The LDS church has attempted to whitewash it's history and has done a great job of keeping the truth of history from it's members. I actually did dig deep into the LDS church's history with the intent of learning more about my religion. You're correct in saying my study wasn't done in an objective manner. I was actually completely convinced in the truthfulness of the LDS church. Studying the church's history destroyed my beliefs.

Get your facts right wrote:

BYUs top 7s age at pre nats

1) Rory 21

2) Mcmillan 21

3) Clinger 19

4) Young 24

5) Carney 23

6) Harper 22

7) McLellend 22

That's an average age of 21, dick.

hgjhgjgk wrote:

Yep, the only college team that has an average age of 24 will continue to be one of the best. I can only imagine how much faster my team would have been if we all had "sophmore/junior" year off, then "senior" year redshirt, then 3 more years to compete. Sorry but if you decide to take two years off, you should lose 2 years of eligibility. Remember when Jared Ward got to race NCAA XC at 26?

Regardless of how the decimal average works out, the point stands that every guy on that list save clinger is at LEAST old enough to be a graduating senior, and a couple are significantly older.

If it's such an advantage wouldn't they be this good every year? -serious question. And 21, 21 for the first 2 runners doesn't qualify as "at LEAST old enough to be a graduating senior." That's a Jr. If you redshirt and don't go on an LDS Mission you would normally be as old as 23. Only Young, Carney, Harper, and McLellend fall under the category of old enough to be seniors, with only 2 of those being older than a normal senior, and only 1 of those being older than a normal senior who would have redshirtted. So they have a team with guys with the age of a normal Jr, Jr, Fresh, Sen +2, Sen +1, Sen, Sen. How is that different from any other team at the top of the ranks with the exception of maybe 2 guys (If not only Clayton Young here because Carney is as old as a redshirt senior), who weren't even the top guys last race, that- oh yeah- took 2 years off? Are they really that advantaged because Young and Carney went on their missions?Next year if they're still around you can argue that they're too old, but what's really the difference between the BYU team this year and any other team who just happens to have more jr/sr guys than frosh/soph this year? Seems pretty typical to me

Late to the party wrote:

Get your facts right wrote:

BYUs top 7s age at pre nats

1) Rory 21

2) Mcmillan 21

3) Clinger 19

4) Young 24

5) Carney 23

6) Harper 22

7) McLellend 22

That's an average age of 21, dick.

Regardless of how the decimal average works out, the point stands that every guy on that list save clinger is at LEAST old enough to be a graduating senior, and a couple are significantly older.

@#$ wrote:

John Utah wrote:

The only difference is the alcohol and don’t think too many of the best Runners at the top schools are going crazy with alcohol.

Caffeine is not bad for you.

Sure it is bad for you. It is addictive!

https://www.caffeineinformer.com/harmful-effects-of-caffeine

It’s not bad for you. Studies have proven this.

I don't understand why they should have any benefits and allowances because of their religious beliefs...it makes no sense.

Imagine rescheduling NCAA champs to avoid them being during ramadan...or not holding games on the day jewish rest...

BS

You wanna go to filipines or el salvador? Cool, you will lose as many years of elegibilty as you are away..

It’s not a terrible religion at all. There is way more good than bad coming from the LDS church and people. WAY more. Not even close.

Loads of really good LDS people making a better than average effort to be good people and do good things in this world.

That said JS is not who he says he is and the BOM is a piece of fiction written by JS. However, if folks are happy and living positive and productive lives then more power too them. There are worse things you can do with your time. On the money side, there are better places to put your money.

WRONG. McMillan and Linkletter, the 21 year-olds, graduated high school in 2014. That would make them seniors this year under a normal HS-college timeline.

like really bro wrote:

[quote]John Utah wrote:

...at the end of the day you are just ...asking people if they want to go to church. .

I'm curious as a non American, why do you do this? Religion isn't so big in my country (Canada) and I've always wondered (I've never known a single church goer in my life and I'm not young).

Ok, but what we're arguing here is that LDS missions do/don't give you an unfair advantage. So whenever they graduated high school, they're 21. Neither of them have served LDS missions, and both are still within the age range of normal college athletes. No one says it's unfair when a group of guys all make it to nationals with a majority of seniors on the team.

The only guys you should even be bringing up here if arguing that a mission gives an advantage, are guys who have gone on missions. If BYU has guys who are older because of a redshirt, because they're seniors, or because of any number of reasons other than a mission then that's no different than any school.

So help me understand how the NCAA exception rule to LDS Missions has benefitted this current BYU XC team. You have Young, Carney, and McLelland to argue this point with - their 4, 5, and 7 from last weekend. Their ages are 24, 23, and 22. Each got out of shape and took probably a year to get back into the fitness they had as 19 year olds, and how long it took to get back to where they would have been at 20, 21 had they not left? 18 months probably.

Let's also not forget guys like Connor Mantz would currently be contributing to this team had they not gone on a mission, he being a more sought after recruit than any of those 3 guys. So when you discuss how the LDS mission has given an unfair advantage to BYU, also consider how the mission has hurt BYU and add that into the mix and tell me if you can really get a definitive answer on the matter.

The uncomfortable truth is that any kid can go to the Peace Corps for 2 years and receive the same "advantage." Which is why you see so many elite HS runners doing exactly that.

There is no rule saying you can't train. The rule that often prevents training is that you are required to be with your companion at all times. Time can be an issue too as you are working 12 hours a day. I lucked out and got a companion that was a killer biker. He would bike large loops around me while I ran, always staying within site. It was pretty funny watching him huff it out on a beach cruiser. It worked though and I even got to do long runs on prep day.