Noah Droddy- good showing in Chicago

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Neither.

a 19 second per mile drop over the course of the other 13.11 is not that big of a difference

In a 5k, it is only a difference of .18 miles

In a 10k, only a difference of .36

In a half, it is only the difference of .76 miles

It really is not that big of a drop.

I am sticking with this assessment and that will have to be that.

Noah with build from this.

Bring the knowledge wrote:

You are a troll or a halfway decent humorist, or third option is you have a lot of problems coming up in your life.

Stop

The man ran a 4 minute positive split, he lost 7 minutes to Rupp in the last half alone, just accept that

Stoppit Smith wrote:

He did.

1:06 x 2= 2:12 +4= 2:16

No, his PR is 1:01:48 not 1:06.

By your logic, that would put a 58 minute half marathoner at a winning marathon time just under Kipchoge's 2:00:25!

Oh the humanity! Why did we waste our time?!

Lol

If they're made for the marathon they'd be running 2:01-03. They're coming up a few minutes Zersenae simply isn't made for it. They're coming up a few minutes short, at 2:03-05, which is average marathon ability.

If Noah was running 'average' marathon ability relative to his half he should have been around 2:09-2:13. 2:16 is terrible for someone with a 1:01:48 HM PR.

You are seriously going to suggest that a 1:01 half marathoner should keep that same clip in a full?

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Yes, he performed very below average. No idea why we're praising him.

Karl Hungus wrote:

What if Droddy and Hasay had a kid - how amazing would their hair be?

It would be a truly magic kid and soon be called the running wizard ;)

Stoppit Smith wrote:

No. you got it wrong. NOT a 4 minute drop...a 19 second drop.

5:02 to 5:21

I am talking about mile pacing over the distance.

13.1.. in 5:02 per mile

and 13.1 in 5:21 per mile...

is fairly even. In any world.

You're getting some good bites on this. Well done. Solid 7/10

Dale Earnhardt Jr of all people was tweeting sunday morning about getting up early to watch Droddy race. If you can get someone like him excited about the sport by having a little bit of personality, you can get any American excited. Most of the Bowerman women do a good job of showing some personality and putting themselves out there. Emma and Centro are great too. Most of the best US men are incredibly bland.

If you are not a droddy fan, then I can see why you would reduce this to numbers.In that case, you may never understand why.And honestly, I do not need to explain why we are praising him.We just are.And, we will continue to.And you can't stop it.Regardless of the numbers.☺

unimpressed. wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

He did.

1:06 x 2= 2:12 +4= 2:16

No, his PR is 1:01:48 not 1:06.

By your logic, that would put a 58 minute half marathoner at a winning marathon time just under Kipchoge's 2:00:25!

Oh the humanity! Why did we waste our time?!

Lol

If they're made for the marathon they'd be running 2:01-03. They're coming up a few minutes Zersenae simply isn't made for it. They're coming up a few minutes short, at 2:03-05, which is average marathon ability.

If Noah was running 'average' marathon ability relative to his half he should have been around 2:09-2:13. 2:16 is terrible for someone with a 1:01:48 HM PR.

You are seriously going to suggest that a 1:01 half marathoner should keep that same clip in a full?

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Yes, he performed very below average. No idea why we're praising him.

Noah Droddy is very attractive.

I predict his downfall will be his girlfriend. The black widow.

So he lost 7 minutes to Rupp in the last half.You call yourself an NOP skeptic and then you praise Rupp...to..undermine Droddy?Honestly, any man (or woman, I suppose) that contrives a reason to hate Noah Droddy really needs some re-wiring of the personal circuitry.This is a good guy who is a good runner, and many of you just can't handle it.American running needs Noah Droddy and you have to accept -that-

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Neither.

a 19 second per mile drop over the course of the other 13.11 is not that big of a difference

In a 5k, it is only a difference of .18 miles

In a 10k, only a difference of .36

In a half, it is only the difference of .76 miles

It really is not that big of a drop.

I am sticking with this assessment and that will have to be that.

Noah with build from this.

Stop

The man ran a 4 minute positive split, he lost 7 minutes to Rupp in the last half alone, just accept that

Just because you disagree with me does not make me a troll.That's internut logic.Within human world, it's called my -opinion-You just can't handle one different from yours. Sad for you.

You've had your fun wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

No. you got it wrong. NOT a 4 minute drop...a 19 second drop.

5:02 to 5:21

I am talking about mile pacing over the distance.

13.1.. in 5:02 per mile

and 13.1 in 5:21 per mile...

is fairly even. In any world.

You're getting some good bites on this. Well done. Solid 7/10

I think the point you are missing is that the pacing conversation is not opinion but is based on facts. The fact is he didn't run even splits. No discussion and end of story.

You may have the opinion that Droddy ran really well and is what American running needs and that is fine because you are entitled to your opinion.

I am sure he is a nice guy and it seems like people have many positive things to say about him but I would say I was underwhelmed by his first marathon. Does it mean he won't improve? Of course not but to say he is the future is simply foolish when he was soundly beaten by other Americans in their respective debuts and they have a better track pedigree to boot.

People who continue to rail on that he only ran X number of weeks at 90 miles and he had a short build up. Well that is on him to choose to run this race and isn't really an excuse for a "poor" performance. I'm sure he wouldn't have committed if he didn't think he could still run well. Admittedly I haven't read his logs or anything but considering he sounds like he is a fairly new runner maybe he isn't running mega mileage because he can't handle the volume. People have this mistaken assumption that because you just started running late you have a ton of upside and yes this can be true to an extent. But in the marathon I would view this as a hindrance considering part of being successful is consistently logging high mileage over years. Droddy clearly has talent based off his half time but he could be another in a long list of runners who run a great half but never put it together for a full marathon.

To me, 1:06/1:10 are basically even splits.If you do not think they are, you are welcome to.If anyone who does not think they are thins that, they are welcome to.However, I am sticking to my point.To me, the facts are, at a distance of 26.22 miles, an extra drop of only 4 minutes from the pace of the original 13.11 to the subsequent 13.11 is pretty much an even split.Sorry, that is just the way it is.you can goad, you can insult, you can browbeat.I have made my statement and that is that.

Reading this further, Your comments show that you have no scope of his work ethic and results while at DePauw.How DePaul, mind you...DePauw. Indiana.https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/2812323/Noah_Droddy.htmlHe is not a no-name.Read it and sleep. Game over:)

Correction: Not DePaul.

I'm confused, you posted a link to when he ran a 14:36 and a 29:41 to explain that he is not a no name.

While those are respectable times they by no means represent the collegiate track background of someone you would look at to become a break out star internationally. If anything I would say that further proves my point of his limited upside because of how more can he realistically expect to improve at this point and time. He has a long ways to go to close the gap on someone like Derrick who has run 27:31 or Chelenga who has run 27:08, both of whom beat Droddy in his debut.

As for the splits argument. If you can't understand how picking up roughly 20 seconds a mile is staggeringly significant at Droddy's level than you are beyond help. I'm not sure what you infatuation with him is considering many people seem to be fans solely because of his appearance with his hair but I imagine you are at the least the president of his fan club.

What?

Ghosts of divorce wrote:

I predict his downfall will be his girlfriend. The black widow.

Dude - that is a major decrease in pace, and not close to even pacing. I'm talking about mile pacing over the 13.1 distance as well. Given the deterioration of his 5K splits, the man was probably feeling some pretty heavy legs.

I do wish letsrun would spend less time trying to come up with reasons why Person X will never be able to run a certain time, get a scholarship, get better, get a job with his or her degree, etc. You would almost think we don't want anyone who was not born into a perfect, straight path of a life with perfect talent and a perfect racing history to succeed. But surely next to none of us have had seamless lives and running careers?