Noah Droddy- good showing in Chicago

So Rupp's 2:09 win is crap, everyone bashes him saying he sucks and is not fast. A hippie with long hair and mustache runs a 2:16 debut and he's suddenly the next coming of Clarence Del Mar............OK!

On the planet Earth, my dear friend.Let's do the math.at 13.11 miles, a 1:06 (66 minutes) is about a 5:02 mile.at 13.11 miles, a 1:10 (70 minutes) is about a 5:21 mileacross that distance...an average drop from 5:02 to 5:21 pace is pretty even.in fact, truncated further...Noah's 1:10 finishes only 1200m behind his 1:06 at that distance. Carried over a distance of 13.11 as part of 26.22? I would say that is pretty even.Technically, that is not even a big drop for a 5K

G. Mutai wrote:

On what planet is a four more minute positive split "almost even pacing"?

Stoppit Smith wrote:

The fact that the 26 year old Droddy could transform himself that quickly into a 2:16 guy, which includes almost even pacing of 1:06/1:10.....

Nope. I have made or joined several threads praising Rupp and being on Rupp's side.However, praising Droddy is not being done at the sacrifice of Rupp.Rupp is established. Droddy has made his start.Hundreds of threads will be made celebrating the achievement of Rupp, deservedly.But, I made this one about Droddy.I happen to be a fan. That is that.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:

So Rupp's 2:09 win is crap, everyone bashes him saying he sucks and is not fast. A hippie with long hair and mustache runs a 2:16 debut and he's suddenly the next coming of Clarence Del Mar............OK!

a'pokf';sldkf'sd;l wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

A lot of Americans did well in Chicago, but I wanted to spotlight the very eclectic and interesting Noah Droddy here.

After a 1:06 half and a 2:16 finish, he shows a LOT of potential to be a real contender at this distance.

Since he is newer at this, I think his finish was a great debut for him.

Plus, it will be great to have runners like Noah Droddy on the marathon circuit. It's a refreshing change.

Way to go, Noah

Great run, but no chance he gets much below 2:12. You don't break 2:10 if your debut is 2:16.

2:16 is amazing for most, but not relevant to become a factor internationally.

Ron Hill's debut was 2:24. Derek Clayton's was 2:21. Bill Rodgers' was a DNF and his debut time was 2:19. I guess technically this proves you correct as none of these guys debuted with 2:16 but I don't think that was exactly your point.

5k splits for Droody late in the race :30K - 16:0535K - 16:3040K - 17:37 That's not considered "even pacing" whether he was in a death march or shutting it down to just a jog. I hate to be the "do you even run" guy but seriously, do you even run?Regardless, I think it was good debut by him. The marathon is such a tricky beast and his 61 half marathon hopefully means he has a lot of room to improve. Best of luck to him.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

On the planet Earth, my dear friend.

Let's do the math.

at 13.11 miles, a 1:06 (66 minutes) is about a 5:02 mile.

at 13.11 miles, a 1:10 (70 minutes) is about a 5:21 mile

across that distance...an average drop from 5:02 to 5:21 pace is pretty even.

in fact, truncated further...

Noah's 1:10 finishes only 1200m behind his 1:06 at that distance. Carried over a distance of 13.11 as part of 26.22? I would say that is pretty even.

Technically, that is not even a big drop for a 5K

Yes, and I have your "Droody" right here.Do you know who he is?You're giving me splits when I am talking about the overall pacing time across a 13.11 mile span.I stand by my statement. Don't blur the praise by silly questions.[disclaimer: 19:35 5K PR (2016); 33:52 8K (2016); 43:04 10K PR (2016)--are you that much quicker that you can question if I run?]Go Noah DRODDY!:)

Ever hear of 1960s U.S. standout Buddy Edelen? His debut (in June of 1962) was a 2:31. A month later he ran 2:22, and then five months after that he became the first American to run sub-2:20 with a 2:18:56 at Fukuoka. To top that, in June of '63 he ran a WR 2:14:28 (first American to go sub-2:15). Some like to criticize Droddy for having bad form, but Edelen was anything but a stylist. To say it's impossible for Droddy to trim more than six minutes off his Chicago 2:16 is nuts.

Gotta bee wrote:

Karl Hungus wrote:

I think he can do some damage in the future at races.

lmao what?

As in, top 10 finishes AND crush beer after.

2:16 is a very good debut in the 1970's but not in the current era. We do not need "image" athletes we need fast marathoners. There is no category in professional marathoning for length of hair.

more like NOAH DADDAY

Actually, Rodgers' debut time was 2:28, not 2:19. I believe 2:19 was his second marathon time.

Karl Hungus wrote:

My friends said he looked good and fresh at mile 25 during yesterday's race. Great debut run, and I think he can do some damage in the future at races.

If he had a 4 minute positive split I can assure you he did not look 'fresh' at mile 25......

I feel like 2:16 is pretty solid when you consider that abridged training only lead to 4 weeks @ 90mi or over leading up to the race

ArkFan wrote:

I feel like 2:16 is pretty solid when you consider that abridged training only lead to 4 weeks @ 90mi or over leading up to the race

That's what I thought, too. But let's just go on and bash on and on and on... "Yeah man... he almost got beaten by Joran Hasay" ;)

ArkFan wrote:

I feel like 2:16 is pretty solid when you consider that abridged training only lead to 4 weeks @ 90mi or over leading up to the race

Yeah I looked at his training posted above and it looks like he has a lot of room to increase mileage and get consistent longer work in. It also explains why his half is so much better than his full.

If he is able to stay healthy and train like a marathoner I expect he actually has a lot of room to improve

Stoppit Smith wrote:

On the planet Earth, my dear friend.

Let's do the math.

at 13.11 miles, a 1:06 (66 minutes) is about a 5:02 mile.

at 13.11 miles, a 1:10 (70 minutes) is about a 5:21 mile

across that distance...an average drop from 5:02 to 5:21 pace is pretty even.

in fact, truncated further...

Noah's 1:10 finishes only 1200m behind his 1:06 at that distance. Carried over a distance of 13.11 as part of 26.22? I would say that is pretty even.

Technically, that is not even a big drop for a 5K

G. Mutai wrote:

On what planet is a four more minute positive split "almost even pacing"?

i agree with G. Mutai. dropping 4 minutes isnt even close to even pacing. maybe in hobby jogger world.

and you call a 4 minute positive split in a 5k, not a big drop? 8 mins for the first 2.5k then 12 minutes for the second 2.5k? thats going from 5.09/mile to 7.44/mile. That would be a huge blow up in any race. if that was a high school varsity face you would go from top ten to DFL.

come to think of it, youre so wrong you have to be in a Troll. well done.

No. you got it wrong. NOT a 4 minute drop...a 19 second drop.

5:02 to 5:21

I am talking about mile pacing over the distance.

13.1.. in 5:02 per mile

and 13.1 in 5:21 per mile...

is fairly even. In any world.

What if Droddy and Hasay had a kid - how amazing would their hair be?

If they were drinking pina coladas at Trader Vic's after the marathon their hair would be perfect. Aaoooooo!