TrackCoach wrote:
An article about Kimetto in Kenya's Daily nation talks about the upcoming Chicago Marathon and doesn't even mention Rupp as one of the top athletes. It mentions Stephen Sambu who has a 2:13 marathon PR and Zersenay Tadese who has a marathon PR of 2:10 and is several years past his prime.
Is this a purposeful omission or just an oversight?
http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Dennis-Kimetto-will-lower-my-world-record-again/1100-4113486-mumub2z/index.html
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2:03:57, just an oversight? Obviously an amateur article.
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Dingler wrote:
I don't like Rupp. I think he's a primadonna, his coach is an @$$, and the whole NOP is shady.
But if you overlook a guy who has 2 Olympic medals and has run 26:44 you're an idiot.
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OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Running fast is nice, but isn't the goal of a "race" to win it? And if not, to place as high as you can? Fast times are nice, but when I'm in (or should I say "was in"), my goal was to win it. if a fast time is what it took, all the better.
Oh, I agree with you 100%. I have said before on these boards that no matter what Rupp does, his haters will ALWAYS find a reason to discredit. .
3rd in the Olympic Marathon and it's "Well, each country can only send 3 guys so Kenya didn't send their full team and it was hot and humid but he was slow"
2nd in the Olympics 10,000 and it's "Well, Kenya and Ethopia had a bad race, the time was slow and Rupp just sat behind Mo"
2nd at Boston and it's "Well, his time was slow and the elites were in London Marathon"
Lets say he runs 2:04 and sets the AR at Chicago but for some reason doesn't win. His haters will say "it doesn't mean anything" Lets say he runs 2:10 and wins..then it's "Well, he wouldn't have come close in Berlin or Dubai or Rotterdam, etc so he isn't on the same level"
So, go out there, lay down a 2:05, win and shut them all up once and for all..lol. He has had an amazing, amazing career that not a single person on these boards can even touch. -
doot doot wrote:
Dingler wrote:
I don't like Rupp. I think he's a primadonna, his coach is an @$$, and the whole NOP is shady.
But if you overlook a guy who has 2 Olympic medals and has run 26:44 you're an idiot.
EOT
WRONG.
Rupp is not a threat to any elite Kenyan in a major marathon; EOT.
Near certain he never will be either.
Otherwise, I agree, Salazar is dog$hit and NOP is shadier than shade. -
sweet leilani wrote:
doot doot wrote:
Dingler wrote:
I don't like Rupp. I think he's a primadonna, his coach is an @$$, and the whole NOP is shady.
But if you overlook a guy who has 2 Olympic medals and has run 26:44 you're an idiot.
EOT
WRONG.
Rupp is not a threat to any elite Kenyan in a major marathon; EOT.
Near certain he never will be either.
Otherwise, I agree, Salazar is dog$hit and NOP is shadier than shade.
Really? He's not a threat to ANY elite Kenyan? I seem to remember there being a few elite Kenyans at the Olympics and Boston. Two of them (one each race) beat him, Kipchoge and Kirui. The rest? Not so much. -
I completely agree. If Rupp goes 2:04 at Chicago, no matter where he finishes, I'll admit how wrong I've been. Hell, I was impressed at how he hung on in the Olympics, that was baller. A fade, yes, but baller.
If he goes 2:05 and is IN it, same deal. I'd think a 26m 10K medalist who also won a bronze in the marathon should be able to do that, just like you do.
Sure, he's had an amazing career. But if dude is a road guy now, he needs to do something here. Go under 28 in a road 10K, do a 60m half, get in the mix in Falmouth. Hell, run a marathon that's faster than guys ran in the 60s. -
Dingler wrote:
I don't like Rupp. I think he's a primadonna, his coach is an @$$, and the whole NOP is shady.
But if you overlook a guy who has 2 Olympic medals and has run 26:44 you're an idiot.
hi Rojo! -
lols and when he runs like we predict his fan boys will have another excuse
"ruppy poop was so hurt by all the negativity on these boards that he went out in 64 mid and came back in 64 high, but he looked smooth at least, just wait you haters rupp 2:04 if he didnt have these haters on here talking sh*t about him" -
Smoove wrote:
He basically sat on Meb's shoulder the whole time and refused to take the lead at any point, despite Meb basically saying to him during the race that he wanted Galen to stop riding right on top of him. They had pulled ahead of most of the field and I think Meb's perspective was, why not work together some to put these guys away altogether. Instead, Rupp just sat back and executed his race plan. I can get why Rupp took that approach - this is an each man for himself sport - but it still seems like a douche move.
I am almost certain Rupp was doing what he was told to do. What would be the purpose of Rupp working with Meb when it was pretty obviously they were going go 1-2? When they separated, the only thing Rupp wanted to do was win, which he did pretty easily. -
OK so if you don't think Ghirmay, Abera, or Hayle are good marathoners, then who the hell is? According to you all the 2:04 times at Dubai and Rotterdam are garbage, but who has even run 2:04 outside of Dubai/Rotterdam? Like 15 guys right?
Kimetto, Bekele, Kipchoge, E. Mutai, Kipsang, Makau, Adola, Biwott, Gebreselassie, G. Muati, Kitwara, Chumba, Kebede, Lelisa, Tergat, and S. Korir.
No one other than those guys has ever run sub 2:05 outside of Dubai or Rotterdam. Unless you count Boston 2011. The guys on that list all ran their PRs in rabbited races on fast courses like Berlin/Chicago/London. Not much different than Dubai or Rotterdam, right?
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"he didnt beat biwott, bitwott dropped out. you think because he dropped out that means rupp beat a 2:03 guy? "
so because Biwott couldn't hang with Rupp that means Rupp didn't beat him? good one -
"fast courses like ... Chicago"
This thread is pointless. Chicago is Sunday. It's fast. Fast guys are there. 2:02 guys, 2:03 guys. Rupp needs to show. I'll be here Sunday apologizing when he runs a 2:04 or 2:05. -
Beautiful Day wrote:
"fast courses like ... Chicago"
This thread is pointless. Chicago is Sunday. It's fast. Fast guys are there. 2:02 guys, 2:03 guys. Rupp needs to show. I'll be here Sunday apologizing when he runs a 2:04 or 2:05.
I should have said Chicago pre-2015. Nobody is running 2:03/2:04 without pacers. I believe the fastest non-rabbited time is G. Mutai's 2:05:06 from NYC 2011. It is extremely rare that a non-rabbited race is won in under 2:07. So no, you won't need to apologize because Rupp will not be running 2:05 without pacers. But again, neither will anyone else. -
the real deal wrote:
Beautiful Day wrote:
"fast courses like ... Chicago"
This thread is pointless. Chicago is Sunday. It's fast. Fast guys are there. 2:02 guys, 2:03 guys. Rupp needs to show. I'll be here Sunday apologizing when he runs a 2:04 or 2:05.
I should have said Chicago pre-2015. Nobody is running 2:03/2:04 without pacers. I believe the fastest non-rabbited time is G. Mutai's 2:05:06 from NYC 2011. It is extremely rare that a non-rabbited race is won in under 2:07. So no, you won't need to apologize because Rupp will not be running 2:05 without pacers. But again, neither will anyone else.
Why would he need to apologize at 2:05, or even 2:07 or 2:08 for that matter? Those aren't good times? Remember he's coming to the marathon distance late in his running career, he's got plenty of time to train into it, unless of course he gets sick of it first. As I recall, Carlos Lopes of Portugal was 37 when he won gold, and 38 when he set the world best. -
Mutai had pacers at Chicago?
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Beautiful Day wrote:
Mutai had pacers at Chicago?
Yeah he did so stick that in your pipe and smoke it. -
I hate to say, but hate is a beautiful thing...it keeps LetsRun from fizzling into obscurity because of threads like this.
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Beautiful Day wrote:
Mutai had pacers at Chicago?
Which Mutai? E. Mutai and Kimetto had pacers when they ran 2:03 in Chicago 2013. G. Mutai never ran Chicago. -
pretty much just another white b0y tryin 2 keep up wit da afrikans
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In my mind, Rupp has already run the equivalent of a 2:07 marathon. Heat is a killer; I don't care how talented or fit you are, it only takes a few degrees above 60F to drastically change a race. Pacers make a big difference, for one, you can draft off of them, but they also make it possible to not have to engage mental energy focusing on pace. Off the top of my head, I can't think any sub-2:05 in more than 60F at the start and/or without pacers...there is a reason for that. Even in a somewhat tactical race, I can still see Rupp running 2:07, which he has already shown he's capable of. If everything plays out in his favor, as in training has gone really well, low temps, good pacing and he's challenging for a medal...2:05 is possible. I will split the difference and say 2:06 is most likely, which is pretty darn good for a marathon without pacers.
In terms of Kenyans not knowing who Rupp is, after rereading the article, it appears its the author and not Kemitto who does not know who Rupp is. Rupp has beaten over half of the top Kenyan athletes at some point in his career and athletes always remember who beat them.
