As a millennial, I fully support these kids. Let them leave work and travel. This gives me less competition in the work place. I'm a millennial under 30 and thanks to the rest of the millennials who've made me look like a superstar, I've rapidly advanced in my career and now I'm one promotion away from being a vp in the company. These typical millennials have paved the way for us hard working millennials to be very successful in life
Millennial Mike wrote:
As a millennial, I fully support these kids. Let them leave work and travel. This gives me less competition in the work place. I'm a millennial under 30 and thanks to the rest of the millennials who've made me look like a superstar, I've rapidly advanced in my career and now I'm one promotion away from being a vp in the company. These typical millennials have paved the way for us hard working millennials to be very successful in life
Exactly. It's like gays. Let gays be with gays. It leaves more women for straight people. Same with abortions.
This kid looks possessed, or a character out of a Stephen King story.
Hey, I want a girl who "ducks the workforce" and wants to stay home...doesn't bother me one bit...I say bring back the traditional rolls...but then again she can't be lazy surfing Facebook all day, got to have some ambition.
Shoebacca wrote:
I know plenty of people who are restless spirits and don't want to hold a job or anxious spirits who would rather delay it by having their parents pay for a master's degree just so they don't have to work sooner, but I still know plenty of people who get jobs, independence, and put their noses to the grindstone. This diversity is true of every generation, but this is the first generation with Facebook who can stalk old classmates for the rest of their lives. We have a larger sample size to use when we try to make comments about other people. It's easy to spot several lazy or unambitious people, but that doesn't mean they are the majority.
I'm probably more bothered by the amount of women in my generation who have reached my level and then used traditional family roles as an excuse to duck the workforce. I applaud raising children, but a lot of these women are just using it as a guise to stay home all day.
Devil Dog wrote:
Life is a lot nicer when you don't need a lot of money.
The less money you need to survive, the more options you have.
You must be Moe's Tavern !
parentmoney wrote:
why work? wrote:I have two friends (we are just out of college) whose parents just continue sending them about 2K/month allowance for "whatever". One parent has an automatic deposit set up to send him 2K/month into his checking account. In addition, that parent also pays his credit card bills. So, tax free, they are both up $24K/year with cash. The one without the parent picking up the credit card tab works at home depot about 20 hours/week to supplement. But the other does nothing and seems to run up credit card bills like crazy that I guess the parents cover (he most certainly does not earn any income). Thankfully, he almost always treats at bars and restaurants - so I guess I'm a free-rider on his parents income as well.
I'm not saying that it's the right thing to do and that it won't make kids lazy, but is it better to give your kids some money now for education, interesting experiences, a bit of an easier life, or all of it when you're dead?
Your friends seem like an extreme case though and that they're almost taking too much advantage of this situation.
This is a good point. A lot of times people work their whole adult lives in order to be able to travel after they retire, and by the time they retire they are either physically limited, or other things come up that prevent them from traveling. There are certainly counterexamples though.
Another thing to consider is that people who have kids while in their 20s/early 30s will be able to keep up with them, and possibly still be healthy when their grandkids come around. If someone waits until 40 to have children there is a good chance that they will never meet their grandchildren.
Like Smoove said earlier, it really comes down to one's values and what one considers important in life.
"Buy your own damn car!"
Harambe wrote:
Definitely agree about priorities changing and that my generation isn't really different.
I do think that the timeline for mid-life things like marriage and home buying has been shifted ~10 years later. It's just not as conceivable for the average millennial to be able to buy a home in a good metro area in their 20s unless we have a big price correction.
Then again, this all falls in line with lower birthrates, later marriage, etc.
This gen is better educated, healthier, and more productive than ever before. We don't feel the rush. There's a lot of time ahead of us.
I think you might want to tap the brakes on that last sentence, about millennials being superior in some way. That's absurd. People are people. Times change but the human condition doesn't change much looking at the big picture. You'll have winners and slackers in every generation.
The trend is for people to get married later in life. That's been going on a very long time, way before millennials got to be marrying age.
john utah wrote:
Harambe wrote:Definitely agree about priorities changing and that my generation isn't really different.
I do think that the timeline for mid-life things like marriage and home buying has been shifted ~10 years later. It's just not as conceivable for the average millennial to be able to buy a home in a good metro area in their 20s unless we have a big price correction.
Then again, this all falls in line with lower birthrates, later marriage, etc.
This gen is better educated, healthier, and more productive than ever before. We don't feel the rush. There's a lot of time ahead of us.
I think you might want to tap the brakes on that last sentence, about millennials being superior in some way. That's absurd. People are people. Times change but the human condition doesn't change much looking at the big picture. You'll have winners and slackers in every generation.
The trend is for people to get married later in life. That's been going on a very long time, way before millennials got to be marrying age.
They’re gay/tranny democrats.
Young people enjoying their lives? Oh, how horrible! How terribly impractical! They're supposed to spend every waking moment working and saving up money so they can support the hordes of boomers entering retirement with no savings!
I've never met anyone who quit their job while broke, and then went to Chile on Mommy and Daddy's dime. I have seen plenty of millennials take several months to *gasp* put their careers on hold for a few months ("Oh, mercy! Quick, Reginald! My fainting couch!") to travel to Europe or go on extended backpacking expeditions in the mountains. Usually, they've saved up a bunch of money and plan to start graduate school/a new job immediately afterwards. Sometimes, they work while they're abroad. Amazing stuff.
Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:
ashing the kids and ask yourself, "Why is my life so leveraged and stressful that I must hate others to justify my poor choices?".
+1
Just as long as you don't expect my taxes to support you, I'm fine with your choices.
these guys ... wrote:
Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:ashing the kids and ask yourself, "Why is my life so leveraged and stressful that I must hate others to justify my poor choices?".
+1
I considered this, but didn't really want to make it an is against them thing as I was really interested in what people had to say.
When it comes down to it, no matter what people say (and truly mean) in their 20s and 30s, we are going to have to deal with the situations that those people are actually in later in their lives. We have no tolerance for euthanasia as an alternative to medical care for the elderly. We have little tolerance for the elderly in poverty. So while they may believe in those things they say now, many will change their tunes later, and even if they didn't, we, as a society, will still feel a moral imperative to address those issues. But that is too theoretical and distant to be a productive part of this conversation.
Plus, as a 45 year old, I will either be dead or living off my retirement the and won't be footing much of the bill. I guess that's my kids' problems. They will be on this forum in 30-40 years complaining about millenials bankrupting them the way some millenials complain about boomers bankrupting millenials.
As john utah so aptly put it (channeling David Byrne): same as it ever was.
Some of them squat with boyfriends and become sex slaves so they will be supported financially
Whatisthis wrote:
Just as long as you don't expect my taxes to support you, I'm fine with your choices.
these guys ... wrote:+1
Again, misplaced anger toward the supposedly lazy and poor. You or the government are getting ripped off by bankers, defense contractors, and insurance middlemen all the time. The worst scammers I've met are patriotic false Christian who rip off the government or old people. But there's no outrage about that because the people ripping you off went to fancy schools and wear fancy suits and it's supposedly productive and what capitalism is about.
I'm not sure those are mutually exclusive propositions.
Harambe wrote:
Jose the Plomero wrote:Then one day you wake up and you're 45 years old. Suddenly there's not as much time as you think!
Well, you know how to make these next 20 years NOT fly by before you know it?
Do new things. Mix it up. Don't get in a rut. Don't accept that you have to grind at your job to accomplish traditional goal x/y/z.
You could take some advice from us millennials ;).
I chuckle at the youngsters. Ok, son.
Print your comments out now. Put them in an envelope and open it in 20 years. You will laugh at your former self. Trust me.
You truly and honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
co...stanza wrote:
Hey, I want a girl who "ducks the workforce" and wants to stay home...doesn't bother me one bit...I say bring back the traditional rolls...but then again she can't be lazy surfing Facebook all day, got to have some ambition.
Shoebacca wrote:I know plenty of people who are restless spirits and don't want to hold a job or anxious spirits who would rather delay it by having their parents pay for a master's degree just so they don't have to work sooner, but I still know plenty of people who get jobs, independence, and put their noses to the grindstone. This diversity is true of every generation, but this is the first generation with Facebook who can stalk old classmates for the rest of their lives. We have a larger sample size to use when we try to make comments about other people. It's easy to spot several lazy or unambitious people, but that doesn't mean they are the majority.
I'm probably more bothered by the amount of women in my generation who have reached my level and then used traditional family roles as an excuse to duck the workforce. I applaud raising children, but a lot of these women are just using it as a guise to stay home all day.
I'll bite... millennial married to a millennial here,
We both quit our full time jobs almost a year ago now to travel. We plan to continue traveling for at least another year.
We are not rich - upper middle class growing up but we both graduated with student loan debt (although only about 20k between the two of us)
Parents have contributed zero $$ to the travel fund. We paid off our loans by not buying anything dumb like a car and living with roommates (as a married couple) and saved up enough for a downpayment before we left (~40k). We both work about 15 hours a week on the road. One in tech, one in engineering.
To answer a couple other questions I've seen in this thread: for healthcare, we pay for Obamacare (~400+ a month). If an emergency were to happen, we'd be screwed, but we figure pretty much anyone else would be as well. We don't go to the doctor.
For retirement, we had 401ks and now we have IRAs. We don't contribute much, but it's better than nothing. I plan on probably working a little bit till the end... who knows what the future holds.
As far as a house, our savings have barely dipped beyond what we started with so we'll figure it out later. Probably one of us will get a 'real' job.
Kids? We're planning on having just one after we get a house.
If you have other question's I'd be happy to answer. You have to be willing to make some sacrifices in terms of stability, but... YOLO ¯_(ツ)_/¯
john utah wrote:
Harambe wrote:Well, you know how to make these next 20 years NOT fly by before you know it?
Do new things. Mix it up. Don't get in a rut. Don't accept that you have to grind at your job to accomplish traditional goal x/y/z.
You could take some advice from us millennials ;).
I chuckle at the youngsters. Ok, son.
Print your comments out now. Put them in an envelope and open it in 20 years. You will laugh at your former self. Trust me.
What do you disagree with? Everything I said is well established.
Thankful I live in a generation where I CAN attain novel experiences regularly. I don't need to grind out at a job to provide.
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