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6 years ago 09/16/2017 5:17pm EDT

re: y55y

y55y wrote:
jman1 wrote:
Do you want to live in America? Then get your tail off the chair and say the pledge or you need to leave America. An eleven year old boy got his way. I know middle school kids, and now there are hundreds of other middle school kids who know of this story and realize that they (still) have the upper hand in a country where the tail continues to wag the dog.
Do you want to live in America? Then learn that our country's freedoms include the freedom for a person not to do things just the way you happen to like them. If that's just too difficult a concept for you, start looking for another country to live in.
BTW the right of "middle school kids" NOT to pledge the flag has been recognized since 1943. Not a new development, ignoramus.

Our country would not be what it is today if I our founding fathers only did the things that "felt good"

Name calling? Really? Are you that passionate about making your point?

6 years ago 09/17/2017 4:32am EDT

re: jman1

I never said the pledgein school. Some gteachers p articularly the vets got bent out of shape about it. I thought then they were fascistic aholes andnow i know it.

6 years ago 09/17/2017 6:44am EDT

re: Back woods

Iâ€™m required to lead the Pledge every day, so I do it, since my job is important to me and my family. The Pledge itself strikes me as superfluous and wholly unnecessary.

I have a student who sits quietly. Since this is the United States and her right to do so is protected, she sits. Nothing to see there.

6 years ago 09/17/2017 9:05am EDT

re: over the heads

over the heads wrote:
The pledge is so funny to me. It baffles me that the right is dead set on making people stand up and swear fealty to our government. It's such a communist concept.

Indeed. No other democracy requires this, and at such a young age.

6 years ago 09/17/2017 9:31am EDT

re: Libstand

First of all, it is silly to celebrate the freedom we have in this country by forcing others to participate in a patriotic ceremony. A free society must by definition leave room for the most important minority of all, the individual. So of course, the boy has the right to not pledge.

Secondly; I can appreciate the view of some Christians who don't want to pledge allegiance, because they only want to worship God. They make a comparison between themselves and the 2nd century Christians who were forced to pledge allegiance to the Roman Caesar. However, the Roman Caesar demanded to be worshiped as a god. So the comparison is not quite the same.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong (in Christian terms) with stating your loyalty to the country you live in. Jesus said regarding taxes "give to Caesar what is Caesar's." Before I had children, I would have been more inclined to agree with the Christians who refuse to pledge. But now that the quality of life for my children is dependent on whether our country has peace and prosperity, I am more inclined to show loyalty to this country. I now have skin in the game. I'm invested in this country in a real way. So even though our country isn't perfect, it is the only one we have. I'd rather have this country remain free and prosperous, than let another society dominate us. So I will gladly pledge allegiance, and teach my children to do the same.

6 years ago 09/17/2017 9:37am EDT

re: Libstand

I know the term "fascist" is thrown around a lot these days, but the pledge actually does have fascist origins. F*** it.

https://archive.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory92.html

6 years ago 09/19/2017 5:37pm EDT

re: Libstand

Liberals believe you can believe in any religion you want.

6 years ago 09/19/2017 5:44pm EDT

Jesus, please never talk on this board again.

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