Ketogenic diets extend lifespan, improve memory and health in mice

+13%= 7-10 years increase in human lifespan, with better health and lower obesity.

But it does not translate like that. Mice are short lived organisms. It's easy to extend the lifespan on mice with caloric restriction for example, but when they try that with longer living animals the benefits get smaller and smaller. With humans it's probably a very marginal effect.

O.P.,

As I was reading his comment, I was thinking of my response, which was almost word for word what you wrote as a response.

"You haven't been looking for it."

The problem here is people search for content that satisfies the answers they hope to find and ignores everything else. We all do it. I am a little guilty of it too.

But I have spent about a year reading the science (some of which is painful for me to read and to fully understand) and I have watched many scientists on YouTube with their seminars and Ted Talks et al....I have also Googled such phrases as:

"Why Ketogenic diets are bad" and other similarly-phrased sentences, so I can have a balanced perspective. Although I think there are some arrogant Ketogenicized scientists and some assumptive premature "findings" "hypothesis" etc etc, there is enough evidence here to lean towards to a low-carb/high-fat diet.

I am not so sure I want to be in ketosis all the time as you apparently end up stopping the ketosis when you have carbs and I like my craft beer. Also, as mentioned before, I am not sure I want to run uphill spewing lactic acid having a hampered VO2max.

But I will be continuing LCHF at the very least.

Also, the science community is working on whether it is true that Ketogenic diets help Alzheimers and Parkinson's sufferers as well as some skin conditions and apparently some cancers.

To the person who wrote, "meat diet". Please consider doing some research before chiming in with your misinformed opinion. I probably eat less meat now than when I was CHO-heavy. I have had some massive salads - with above ground veggies as recommended.

And there is some science suggesting that dense LDL cholesterol (the worst) rises with fats + CHO, but balances with fats and low CHO.

For sure refined carbs are a major health concern. The first-world government food guides have all looked similar; grains.and carb-containing foods is the bulk of the diet. Correlation to all this coronary artery disease, obesity, and diabetes? It really looks like carbs are very much the hot smoking gun.

John utah wrote:

I've never seen anything proving that whole grains, potatoes and other quality starches are nothing but good for you.

Lots of info out there. Look up the Zone Diet and Dr. Sears. I lost 30lbs on it and dropped my 5k time by 3 minutes in 3 months. It's a 40/30/30 way of eating.

And I can point you to hundreds of books and websites and doctors and scientists that say the opposite.

Excellent post, CK. LCHF/Keto is the first program that has delivered on EVERY promised result and MORE for me. Keep experimenting, keep learning. It is only a tool, subject to modification and evolution, but after two years, I can assure you that it is a powerful tool indeed. I could go in for pages on the health issues now resolved thanks to LCHF. And like you, I enjoy my beer- 23 hours of keto + 1 hour of hedonic pleasure is a ratio I can live with!Meanwhile, the science is just beginning. A recent prospective 18-nation study has shown support for LCHF: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/abstractMore importantly, the pendulum swing away from processed, high-shelf-life carb-based food will allow more of us to enjoy the health that is our birthright, undistorted by marketing and political leanings. When you go shopping for food, do the "perimeter diet", i.e. stay the F out of the aisles!

Thank you! Wine and the bakery are typically on the back shelves...:).

Of course you can. For 50 years, that is where the $$ has been. Doublethink. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, Carbs are Fuel." Buy our sugary cheap industrial polyunsaturated fat starchy healthy snack for your LOW FAT HEALTH". This is truly the "nutrition" of 1984, when "Carbs Were King! Saturated Fat Boo-Hiss!"The next ten years is going to blow your little mind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRGA3CPp6hI

John utah wrote:

O P wrote:

You haven't been looking. I have posted an article that challenges that dogma. There are many, many others. I suggest that you read "Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teichholtz for the whole sordid story around the low-fat/high carb dietary dogma, which is now institutionalized as our society is hospitalized.

And I can point you to hundreds of books and websites and doctors and scientists that say the opposite.

Thanks.

I never even knew that there was a smaller, denser LDL and a fluffy, not-quite-as-unhealthy LDL until I started doing research.

There continues to be Drs and other health professionals who think that saturated fat is bad.

Did you follow the two lawsuits against Dr. Tim Noakes by the RSA Diatetics Assn? Apparently, they were funded by Kellogs. Lost both times.

Every day this is evolving. It is quite fascinating. My daughter just graduated with honours as a Reg Nurse and a lot of this stuff is the opposite of what she was taught!!!

What I am interested is if the science is settled on the breaking the Ketosis with carbohydrates. It would be nice to have a couple of craft brews on the weekend. Have you seen anything that indicates that you go back into ketosis quicker after awhile??

O P wrote:

That is like creationists who say there is no "proof" that humans are related to apes. Just because you aren't convinced doesn't invalidate the science. The science is simply the best model we have for how we got here. It doesn't depend on whether you buy in to it or not.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Something "simply being the best model we have" does not make it true. The truth does not depend on whether I buy into it or not. The truth also does not depend on whether or not a model is the best we have at the moment. We simply do not know for sure and a model's "bestness" does not change that. You have no idea how science works if this is how you really think.

My personal experience and some collateral evidence is that by eating ketogenic + including fasting windows (13-21 hours, and/or fasted longer runs) on a regular basis, you can consume limited carbs and still develop "metabolic flexibility" which can provide the best of both worlds. Of course, much depends on your genetics, past dietary history, gut biome (especially regards antibiotic history) etc.. Each of us is not a fixed individual, but a shifting ecosystem of inputs, outputs and homeostatic ranges.

For instance, for whatever reason, I have found that it is more important personally to avoid apples and bananas, supposedly "healthy" snacks more than beer or wine. I really emphasize the dark vegetables and pastured eggs/dairy/meats to keep an even keel on the whole affair.

Same findings, here except I haven't added bananas and apples, so unsure what will happen - fave foods though.

I do the intermittent fasting. Often. Like two or three times per week.

Have always done fastest long runs up to 3.5 hours.

Can't run very long at this stage of recovery from hip surgery, but like I wrote, did do a 7+ hour ride 163K fastest with no CHO supplementation.

What endeared me a bit to Tim Noakes was two things, very apologetic about his 40 years of food guide recommendation and admits to being very wrong and likely hurt people. And him saying, "here is the template, you must find what works for you."

He is selling a book though, which always sets off alarm bells for me.

Tim Noakes is freakin awesome. If only the rest of the medical establishment would follow suit, it would save the lives of millions.

I'm hung like a mouse .

Can this diet work for me ?

Interesting. I've been thinking of giving this a go myself, but imagine that in practice it might be difficult to achieve (or at least require a good bit of planning in advance). Can you give any examples of how your typical day looks diet wise?

O P wrote:

Get used to seeing more data pile up on the benefits of a ketogenic diet.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/biotech/sd-me-ketogenic-health-20170905-story.html

+13%= 7-10 years increase in human lifespan, with better health and lower obesity.

As reported in the article, but not the headline: "The Buck Institute study found that a cyclic ketogenic diet, alternated weekly with a non-ketogenic control diet, worked best in promoting longevity, health and memory, while avoiding obesity."

O P wrote:

Meanwhile, the science is just beginning. A recent prospective 18-nation study has shown support for LCHF:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736

(17)32252-3/abstract

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Your link doesn't work, but if you are talking about the PURE study, the authors explicitly state that it doesn't support LCHF.

LCHF is a sensible alternative for some people, but if it's so great, why do the zealots have to lie so much and why do they have to invoke the great carb conspiracy nonsense?

And shut up about the govt guidelines. Fat consumption went UP after the low fat guidelines.

Ntsa wrote:

And shut up about the govt guidelines. Fat consumption went UP after the low fat guidelines.

Those same guidelines recommended eating less refined carbs, and yet consumption of refined carbs went up. Total calories went up and obesity went up.

Ntsa wrote:

O P wrote:

Meanwhile, the science is just beginning. A recent prospective 18-nation study has shown support for LCHF:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736

(17)32252-3/abstract

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Your link doesn't work, but if you are talking about the PURE study, the authors explicitly state that it doesn't support LCHF.

LCHF is a sensible alternative for some people, but if it's so great, why do the zealots have to lie so much and why do they have to invoke the great carb conspiracy nonsense?

And shut up about the govt guidelines. Fat consumption went UP after the low fat guidelines.[/quote]

You sir, are quite ignorant or a liar.