Laweyrs of LRC: Symmonds wants jail time for dopers - how would this work?

You know that's just a scare tactic.

I think a lifetime ban in professional competition is scarier.

Oops, guess I'm officially a BroJo with the misspelling in my title.

In Retrospect, Yeah... wrote:

You know that's just a scare tactic.

I think a lifetime ban in professional competition is scarier.

Yes, I assume he is just talking. I'm just curious if there is any current legal framework for throwing dopers in jail?

I find it interesting when athletes make bold statements like this after their career is over.

I don't think there's any legal precedent for doping that involves jail time, is there?

People get locked up in jail because they're deemed a threat to the safety of others. Usually in prisons, the majority of people are non-violent drug offenders, and then the people who do bad stuff.

You also have asylums and psychiatric facilities for the mentally ill.

I see dopers as cheaters in a sport and since they are basically stealing, it would only be fair to punish them with a fine and a ban. They don't deserve to go to jail. But they deserve to be penalized.

I'm an agriculture major.

Several countries have criminalized dooing, so a framework exists in those countries but not in the United States.

In Retrospect, No... wrote:

People get locked up in jail because they're deemed a threat to the safety of others. Usually in prisons, the majority of people are non-violent drug offenders, and then the people who do bad stuff.

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Why wouldn't you see them as nonviolent drug offenders? Isn't that the essence of doping?

I think the argument has to be for fraud not theft.

What defines criminal fraud vs. civil fraud? Where are all the $350k+ 14:00 lawyers when I need them?

Some do it for recreation, and then there's the drug trading which includes other criminal activity associated with drug trading.

I think doping for sports is in its own category though. It shouldn't warrant jail time because well, even if the IOC or IAAF or WADA deems those drugs illegal, does the FDA view them illegally as well?

Bodybuilders can take steroids and not go to jail. Runners can take steroids too. Should they go to jail if they get caught?

It's not the governments business to get involved in doping in sport, it should be up to the organizations that run the sport to adequately punish and research potential dopers. The "stealing" that is occurring here isn't of property, since you can't really say that you "own" the right to win a championship race. Yes, it could be considered as fraud, but ultimately that is something up for the organizations that run the sport to solve, not the government. They have much bigger problems than riffling through the NOP's drawers. We as spectators need to demand clean sport, and tell the organizations such as the IAAF that we want more research if we want to see an advance in clean sport.

Besides, jailing them seems a bit excessive, they aren't dangerous to society, they should just be banned from competition.

Erun1101 wrote:

It's not the governments business to get involved in doping in sport, it should be up to the organizations that run the sport to adequately punish and research potential dopers. The "stealing" that is occurring here isn't of property, since you can't really say that you "own" the right to win a championship race. Yes, it could be considered as fraud, but ultimately that is something up for the organizations that run the sport to solve, not the government. They have much bigger problems than riffling through the NOP's drawers. We as spectators need to demand clean sport, and tell the organizations such as the IAAF that we want more research if we want to see an advance in clean sport.

Besides, jailing them seems a bit excessive, they aren't dangerous to society, they should just be banned from competition.

Thank you, I totally agree. Just trying to find SOMEONE who's knowledgeable in law to argue Symmond's positions, seems it's pretty warrantless though.

Hey!

Wow, man... Just Wow... I already explained that they're not a danger to society and that only sport's results are affected, which is IAAF, IOC, and WADA's responsibility.

Just because that guy's response is more well-written doesn't mean he deserves to have his comment warranted as opposed to mine.

Tch.

As if he was never a part of the " PROTOCOL".

I was more curious with your handle name...why the IV antibiotics? :]

Vancomycin wrote:

Seems like a stupid idea to me. Lifetime ban and fines are more than enough.

Oh ya, sure...a lifetime ban & fines have really made an impact on Lance Armstrong. 😁 A multi-millionaire, fancy homes, nice cars; living the good life....while the rest of us have work for an honest living.

Newsflash: Lifetime bans & fines are a joke to most athletes. Go look up all the lifers over the past decades from athletics & cycling and many are living the good life. Some are even reaping benefits from the books they wrote about the details of their doping careers!!! The only lifer I know that went from the penthouse to the outhouse was Marion Jones, mainly because she perjured herself during testimony under oath at a hearing.

"Lifetime ban and fines are more than enough?"...what a joke! 😁😅😄

Erun1101 wrote:

It's not the governments business to get involved in doping in sport, it should be up to the organizations that run the sport to adequately punish and research potential dopers. The "stealing" that is occurring here isn't of property, since you can't really say that you "own" the right to win a championship race. Yes, it could be considered as fraud, but ultimately that is something up for the organizations that run the sport to solve, not the government.

Don't forget that lots of money may be involved, e.g. for winning the Berlin marathon. Why shouldn't the government care if someone gains $100,000 by illegal means? And yes, doping is illegal in several countries, including in Germany.

In Retrospect, No... wrote:

I don't think there's any legal precedent for doping that involves jail time, is there?

People get locked up in jail because they're deemed a threat to the safety of others. Usually in prisons, the majority of people are non-violent drug offenders, and then the people who do bad stuff.

You also have asylums and psychiatric facilities for the mentally ill.

I see dopers as cheaters in a sport and since they are basically stealing, it would only be fair to punish them with a fine and a ban. They don't deserve to go to jail. But they deserve to be penalized.

I'm an agriculture major.

I agree with this too. Lifetime ban and repayment of prize money for positive test should be standard that everyone agrees too to compete in an IAAF meet.

I'd love if sponsor would include forced repayment of all endorsement/contract money for a positive test - but I doubt they care enough to push for this. Dopers rarely damage the brand it seems.

Then make it illegal in the U.S.!

We shouldn't have dopers like Armstrong with tens of millions of dollars living the life of the rich & famous while the rest of us have to work for an honest living!

Dopers have benefited too much from their ill-gotten gains!

Time for change...Congress do something about this!

lets start by making a concerted effort to catch the dopers and not sweeping it under the carpet when we do.

once we've got those two things sorted we can worry about what to do with them.

lets start at very beginning wrote:

lets start by making a concerted effort to catch the dopers and not sweeping it under the carpet when we do.

once we've got those two things sorted we can worry about what to do with them.

^This. As long as USADA and USATF etc. prefer winning medals (see Wilson, Rollins, Rupp, Jager etc. etc.) over limiting doping at home, nothing will change here.