Nike 4% release fail

They're designed for the marathon. However you are used to low-drop shoes, you're gonna need higher drops from 30km onwards. You just can't run the whole marathon on forefoot.

So far as I have gathered, reviews are overwhelmingly positive, which is quite unheard of. Seems like Nike is pulling out a revolution in the shoe industry.

Bekele can't run the marathon. He's a 10k runner.

What's revolutionary about a 6.9oz marathon shoe, with 10mm drop, and a rigidity plate?

Sledge_hammer wrote:

They're designed for the marathon. However you are used to low-drop shoes, you're gonna need higher drops from 30km onwards. You just can't run the whole marathon on forefoot.

Of course you can.

Agree, I can't run a marathon easily on your mid-foot... sure on the track or even a 1/2 maybe...

I can wear anything for 1mi-13......... after 13-15 miles the damage starts to show up in flatter shoes... calves get pumped and I just blow up. Way to fatiguing for me.

I'm not that slow....run 5:35 pace.... just fine in the 10mm drop for the marathon.. .....

*maybe young fast guys can survive in a lower drop or super lean elite runners... but there are not many people who can make it 26.2 with good legs in a pair of flat shoes. Olypmipc guys and x-college runners maybe. But even they get hurt and fail often.

It can be done, but I would say anyone who's running 26.2 in Low drop shoes would do just fine in 10mm.

I know I can't run in 3-5mm drops for that distance. I actually put in shims and run more like 12mm. I think to many people are still tainted by the (born to run BS) . Every hobby jogger I know is in Altra-Hoka-Newton...even my 70 year old mom is wearing Hoka:) and told me all about the technology and drop. I had to laugh... the salesman must have given her a dissertation and she paid $160- in the store!

I agree on trails/track/xc/fast.....flatter shoes feel better.

But on concrete...10mm+ for marathon pace is awesome.

Sledge_hammer wrote:

So far as I have gathered, reviews are overwhelmingly positive, which is quite unheard of. Seems like Nike is pulling out a revolution in the shoe industry.

Seems to me that Nike is pulling out all stops to market/hype the hell out of these.

I still haven't seen any great performances from elites wearing these. For the breaking 2 project, Kipchoge would have been close to 2:00 in trainers with all of the drafting, etc. in that event...

Bartimoran wrote:

Sledge_hammer wrote:

So far as I have gathered, reviews are overwhelmingly positive, which is quite unheard of. Seems like Nike is pulling out a revolution in the shoe industry.

Seems to me that Nike is pulling out all stops to market/hype the hell out of these.

I still haven't seen any great performances from elites wearing these. For the breaking 2 project, Kipchoge would have been close to 2:00 in trainers with all of the drafting, etc. in that event...

Uh, have you watched any major marathon since March 2016? how about the Rio Olympic marathon? Guess those don't qualify as "great" to you! :)

I have run in the fly's and have to say, it's not hype this time. These shoes will change the racing shoe industry from here on out. Everyone will be forced to copy them, or the IAAF will ban them.

Sneakerhead wrote:

They sold out in first 30 seconds because of sneakerheads. Check ebay now.

Sneaker head thing is out of control.

BTW, Nike will replenish production next month, so you will be able to get the product at normal retail.

paytoattension wrote:

I have run in the fly's and have to say, it's not hype this time. These shoes will change the racing shoe industry from here on out. Everyone will be forced to copy them, or the IAAF will ban them.

Tell me more. I'm a hobby jogger, so I don't count - but tell me what it's like on running with these and what distances you've put on them. If you say they're awesome - cool - I just need a bit more explanation.

Karl Hungus wrote:

paytoattension wrote:

I have run in the fly's and have to say, it's not hype this time. These shoes will change the racing shoe industry from here on out. Everyone will be forced to copy them, or the IAAF will ban them.

Tell me more. I'm a hobby jogger, so I don't count - but tell me what it's like on running with these and what distances you've put on them. If you say they're awesome - cool - I just need a bit more explanation.

I have done some tempo runs, easy runs, and some short repeats on the track with them. My experience is similar to what Nike has said. It improves running economy. Just going by my garmin with HR strap, I'm about 5 beats per minute less at the same paces on the same route. You can easily feel how much easier it is to run in them. Look, nike.com and in person at Niketown, you can buy a pair and run in them and return them 29 days later for a full refund, no questions asked, so why wouldn't anyone just go buy a pair (zoom fly for now) and run in them to see for yourself? you can get your money back if you don't like them, but trust me, they will ruin you for every other shoe and you will want to run in them every day. They are really a lot of fun to run in because it makes the same pace feel much easier and you just pop off the ground, while still having a lot of cushioning.

Apart from the vaporfly, I also own adios boosts and LunarEpic Flyknit as well.

I would say all three of them are cushioned and bouncy. What sets vaporfly apart is its weight. It's just really really light, feeling like nothing on my feet, yet they are still cushioned and responsive enough to carry you through longer runs. I am looking to break 2:40 in them in the fall, which is a distant reality for me prior to the release of the shoes.

Totally agreed.

Btw, I actually think the shoes are underpriced, which is not enough to put those hobby joggers off (and leave'em for us)

Toolbrah wrote:

First, Learn how to Spell SKECHERS, Idiot, and they're a great shoe company who ACTUALLY take pride in making there products better. So take a step back and know your facts before saying garbage.

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He may not know how to spell SKECHERS, but you don't know how to spell THEIR! Their products, not there products. Looks like we have too idiots. Maybe three.

old guy 71 wrote:

Looks like we have too idiots.

Well done.

Hiya Folks wrote:

old guy 71 wrote:

Looks like we have too idiots.

Well done.

+1

Has anyone run in both the Zoom Fly and the Vaporfly 4%? Trying to figure out which one to get for 10k to marathon racing and training. Are they meant to serve different purposes or is the 4% just a better version of the Zoom Fly? Can I wear these for long runs or just for tempos and races? How about intervals?

Looks like four idiots.

Two...not 'too' wrote:

Looks like four idiots.

You must be knew hear.