OH WOW... Nick Symmonds taking on Hyperandrogenism

okay then, caster has the chromosomes of a female and some sex organs of a male and some sex organs of a female. which definition do you use and why? use logic, dont whine about other people actually thinking despite your own intellectual laziness

Nuts wrote:

It seems to me that we have to consider each competitor as a private person and secondly as an athlete.

An individual with XX and testes who runs 1:58 for 800 meters should not automatically be considered a world class athlete.

Rather, that person for the purpose of athletics, is a moderately talented high school male but with an unusual genetic condition. Perhaps there will someday be a person with the above characteristics who can run 1:45. I don't know.

How that person chooses to conduct the private side of life might is not our concern.

But, we should not let the private life of a competitor blur the essential athletic characteristics, thus allowing a person who is morphologically and hormonally a male to compete as a woman simply because that person lives privately as a woman.

Yikes. Yeah I forgot, you need to cover all basis. Otherwise, you will be sued. Then, how are we to determine the third category without offending, stereotyping or assuming? After all, we do need to make it a "fair" race or would it be considered "cheating" if they don't reveal? Kind of a tricky issue since it's not like that person is doping. Very tough situation.

hydro033 wrote:

The problem is that you can have XX chromosomes but still have testosterone levels of a man due to other endrocrine abnormalities that are of no fault to the person who has them, but still confer an unfair advantage. Like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia

If an XX woman had this condition, and it resulted in better athletic performance, that would be the proverbial "winning the genetic lottery" that people talk about. This does not apply to a person who has a Y chromosome but who does not develop normally. In this case, they essentially "lost the genetic lottery." But by a weird twist of fate, society has decided they get to excel in a weaker competition field against XX individuals.

Its all about that Y. It is the easiest thing to use as a biological divider. It is the easiest way to cut through a messy problem.

Its sucks for people with androgen insensitivity who never knew they had a Y chromosome until they were tested as an athlete. But otherwise, it sucks for many more people who get CASed out of the Olympic medals. Do we want a female category, where women can be awarded as being the best woman in the world? Or do we want a women'g category where the top spots go to people with Y chromosomes? CAS obviously wants the latter, because looking out for the "marginalized" is all the rage these days.

I could never even run faster then girls

next please wrote:

okay then, caster has the chromosomes of a female and some sex organs of a male and some sex organs of a female. which definition do you use and why? use logic, dont whine about other people actually thinking despite your own intellectual laziness

go ahead ghost, tell us all how simple this case is

Hermes link ice blue mink wrote:

baseline testosterone production in men is a bell curve....should we test everyone's T levels at the beginning of the season and have LO-MID-HI divisions to make everything fair? men with higher levels of natural T have an advantage over their counterparts, right?

Yes...those with higer levels of T have a big advantage over those with lower levels. For one, they can train harder, recover better and get less injured that the guys with lower T levels...who would have thought. 😉