Lance Armstrong To Be Sole Defendant Against US Gov

birds of a feather wrote:

Pouring In wrote:

How does Trump gets hundreds of millions in loans backed by Russians with mob ties, when all other banks refuse to loan him anything because he is very high risk?

You make a good point. Maxine Waters has the same ethics as Donald Trump.

And all American Politicians, yes?

Root. wrote:

Lance did more to damage cycling than anyone in the history of the sport, regardless of how much others were also doping.

Naah... He was the guy caught holding the bag. The ones to blame got off and remain largely unknown, Verbruggen and Wiesel. Thom still runs the American federation.[/quote]

Not only is this entirely true, the whole anti-PED idea was sunk the moment the IOC adopted an "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" response to the hugely successful East German Olympic doping program of the 1970s. So long as those East German athletes retain all those Olympic medals, don't talk to me about Lance Armstrong.

As far as Greg LeMond is concerned, my guess is he did drugs but drew the line at EPO, resulting in the premature end of his tenure at the top of the cycling world. He wasn't the only top pro cyclist to suddenly fall from the top and/or prematurely retire in the early 90s. Sprinter Charly Mottet was another example.

I agree with the guy who agrees with the OP

some older guy wrote:

Not only is this entirely true, the whole anti-PED idea was sunk the moment the IOC adopted an "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" response to the hugely successful East German Olympic doping program of the 1970s. So long as those East German athletes retain all those Olympic medals, don't talk to me about Lance Armstrong.

^This. Wasn't just the IOC though: basically all national federations including USATF joined in. Remember the LA Olympics for example.

It is only logical that East Germans will keep their medals, as it was basically state-sponsored (and covered up) vs. state-encouraged (and covered up) doping, so to speak. In other words, there were no clean medal winners in the 80s. Well, there weren't exactly a lot of clean medal winners ever since then, but that's another story.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

I think there is an important life lesson here - if you are going to cheat, you may as well be nice to everyone.

Is this why El G was always friendly with his competitors? And Lagat, Geb, .....

Pouring In wrote:

Trump_wins wrote:

How did Maxine Waters afford a 43 million dollar mansion one of the richest neighborhoods?

Maybe she is just like Lance, see the potential and probable connection, see the relevance.

How does Trump gets hundreds of millions in loans backed by Russians with mob ties, when all other banks refuse to loan him anything because he is very high risk?

Some people are smarter than others.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

I think there is an important life lesson here - if you are going to cheat, you may as well be nice to everyone.

Especially if you are making a TON of $$$ from cheating.

Jim Proest wrote:

Pouring In wrote:

How does Trump gets hundreds of millions in loans backed by Russians with mob ties, when all other banks refuse to loan him anything because he is very high risk?

Some people are smarter than others.

Money laundering is not smart, it is illegal.

The Hypocrisy wrote:

A lot of people feel emotionally about this and so they'll be glad to hear he has to face the heat. It's true he was a megalomaniac and had a serious mean streak, but the fact guys are getting away with little more than a slap on the wrist while they bring his entire life down is absurd. He's going to end up getting his wins reinstated eventually.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/news/armstrong-associates-settle-avoid-federal-trial_443083

Basically you're correct. But until more changes are made, the govt. will continue to look for the Great White Defendant in many areas. Right now DC is years away from a full recovery of leftist white hating and self hating cucks who've been entrenched in the strata for decades. If Lance was a POC, all the cucks at LR would be lobbying for his defense and innocence. lol

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

If you look at Lemond's results, as a junior, he was triple world champion. An athlete doesn't show up to his first grand tour as an assistant and get third.

That guy was doping a long time.

I'm a dirty leftist progressive liberal, and I'm lobbying for Lance Armstrong's defense and innocence. His team required drug use and his sport required drug use. Only well after he retired and everyone in the sport was done making money due to the huge growth his success brought to the entire sport, especially in the US, did he suddenly become public enemy no. 1. Even now, you can bet that if he were French, he would still be an untouchable hero.

But the French are tired of les étrangers winning their beloved Tour.

Root. wrote:

Lance did more to damage cycling than anyone in the history of the sport, regardless of how much others were also doping.

Wow. They were all doping yet it's all one guys fault.

I actually find it humorous that someone that Lance shit on will profit from his downfall. Lance, you shouldn't have been a dick to Floyd. Oopsey

Root. wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

[quote]St. Lemond wrote:

Also, Saint--cough, cough--Lemond. The only "clean" rider Le Tour's has ever had.

Please, tell us how this worked. Be specific.

We all know Lemond did nothing before showing up to get on the podium in his first TdF as an assistant. Nothing at all.

Actually, when you're one of the best riders in the world since you first started pedalling a bicycle, then that is something that used to be expected. Riders generally don't go from "suck" to yellow jersey, or good classics rider to great in a 3-week stage race.

Homeless character wrote:

but why wrote:

makes you wonder about how nice and friendly the current cycling leaders are

also, why doesn't anyone ever point out that all through his post-cancer tours and to this very day LANCE INJECTS TESTOSTERONE - he is given a TUE but no-one else is allowed to do that, it's a massive advantage - super consistently high levels of testosterone, never runs low like a natural athlete, no changes in hormone cycles, doesn't matter what he eats or doesn't eat, he's always got that testosterone level at peak levels

How could you possibly know this? Seriously, I dislike the guy as much as anyone, but stop making $hit up. One testicle still produces enough testosterone.

Not enough to have kids naturally. His sperm was frozen before the ball was cut off.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

As someone said in one of the documentaries about his downfall - "He probably would have got away with it but for the fact that he treated everyone like shit".

I think there is an important life lesson here - if you are going to cheat, you may as well be nice to everyone.

That reminds me of Mike Rossi. He would have gotten away with it if he did not write that letter to the principal.

will leave this reminder of history here

http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/

Yup. If you read deep into that USADA "reasoned decision", you will see that USPS management, which was headed by Thom Weisel, canned team doctor Prentice Steffen and hired Spanish doctor and doping expert Pedro Celaya in 1997, and that marked the beginning of the formal USPS doping program. Lance Armstrong and team manager Johan Bruyneel were signed in 1998.

USPS management obviously saw that competing with the European teams would not be possible without doping. Spain did not have as aggressive anti-PED law enforcement as France, and was a hotbed for the drug culture, as was Italy.

USPS replaced Celaya with another Spanish doping expert, Luis Garcia del Moral, in 1999, though Celaya returned in 2004. Somehow, Celaya and Bruyneel only got eight-year bans, while Armstrong, del Moral and Italian doping doctor Michele Ferrari received lifetime bans. All did exactly the same thing and were exactly as guilty.

But neither Thom Weisel nor anyone else in USPS management were ever sanctioned at all.