A lot of people feel emotionally about this and so they'll be glad to hear he has to face the heat. It's true he was a megalomaniac and had a serious mean streak, but the fact guys are getting away with little more than a slap on the wrist while they bring his entire life down is absurd. He's going to end up getting his wins reinstated eventually.
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It seems even worse that Landis has found a way to possibly profit from it.
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It gets worse wrote:
It seems even worse that Landis has found a way to possibly profit from it.
^THIS
Also, Saint--cough, cough--Lemond. The only "clean" rider Le Tour's has ever had. -
St. Lemond wrote:
Also, Saint--cough, cough--Lemond. The only "clean" rider Le Tour's has ever had.
Please, tell us how this worked. Be specific.
We all know Lemond did nothing before showing up to get on the podium in his first TdF as an assistant. Nothing at all. -
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
St. Lemond wrote:
Also, Saint--cough, cough--Lemond. The only "clean" rider Le Tour's has ever had.
Please, tell us how this worked. Be specific.
We all know Lemond did nothing before showing up to get on the podium in his first TdF as an assistant. Nothing at all.
Lemond won clean and was almost ruined by Lance. He does not deserve to be mentioned here. It was clear what was going down when he was being shelled out of the back of the peloton after being so successful.
Lance did more to damage cycling than anyone in the history of the sport, regardless of how much others were also doping. -
The Hypocrisy wrote:
A lot of people feel emotionally about this and so they'll be glad to hear he has to face the heat. It's true he was a megalomaniac and had a serious mean streak, but the fact guys are getting away with little more than a slap on the wrist while they bring his entire life down is absurd. He's going to end up getting his wins reinstated eventually.
Lance can settle too if he wants. -
St. Lemond wrote:
It gets worse wrote:
It seems even worse that Landis has found a way to possibly profit from it.
^THIS
Also, Saint--cough, cough--Lemond. The only "clean" rider Le Tour's has ever had.
All I've ever heard in the realm of "doping" with Lemond is from a friend who said he was at a party where they were doing blow and he got in on it. It was the late 80s and early 90s and he was the toast of the town so logically was at a lot of gatherings where this stuff circulated. As for true doping, in the cycling world I've never heard a single person who has any respect in the sport accuse him. Most believe he's in fact a really nice guy who is also very intelling but because he always tried to do the right thing with regards to others, he got stepped on and it's likely he won't be regarded for being as great as he is until he's no longer alive. -
The Hypocrisy wrote:
A lot of people feel emotionally about this and so they'll be glad to hear he has to face the heat. It's true he was a megalomaniac and had a serious mean streak, but the fact guys are getting away with little more than a slap on the wrist while they bring his entire life down is absurd. He's going to end up getting his wins reinstated eventually.
As someone said in one of the documentaries about his downfall - "He probably would have got away with it but for the fact that he treated everyone like shit".
I think there is an important life lesson here - if you are going to cheat, you may as well be nice to everyone. -
I think there is an important life lesson here - if you are going to cheat, you may as well be nice to everyone.
makes you wonder about how nice and friendly the current cycling leaders are
also, why doesn't anyone ever point out that all through his post-cancer tours and to this very day LANCE INJECTS TESTOSTERONE - he is given a TUE but no-one else is allowed to do that, it's a massive advantage - super consistently high levels of testosterone, never runs low like a natural athlete, no changes in hormone cycles, doesn't matter what he eats or doesn't eat, he's always got that testosterone level at peak levels -
The Hypocrisy wrote:
A lot of people feel emotionally about this and so they'll be glad to hear he has to face the heat. It's true he was a megalomaniac and had a serious mean streak, but the fact guys are getting away with little more than a slap on the wrist while they bring his entire life down is absurd. He's going to end up getting his wins reinstated eventually.
http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/news/armstrong-associates-settle-avoid-federal-trial_443083
Exactly. Mean, bullying and vindictive as LA no doubt often was, the fact remains that the USPS team management made a conscious, calculated decision to set up a PED program for their riders well before they signed him, or even Johan Bruyneel. The USADA concedes as much in the Tygart report. Once they hired Spanish doping expert Pedro Celaya as their team doctor, their plan was clear.
And the whole Tygart approach of aggressively prosecuting high-profile athletes has proved an utter failure, as could be seen when the entire Russian federation thumbed its nose at him and was able to get most of its athletes into the Rio Olympics despite his demand for a blanket ban.
The entire pro cycling world has taken the Floyd Landis approach: Make as much money as possible on his back, and when it hits the fan, put all the blame on him. -
but why wrote:
I think there is an important life lesson here - if you are going to cheat, you may as well be nice to everyone.
makes you wonder about how nice and friendly the current cycling leaders are
also, why doesn't anyone ever point out that all through his post-cancer tours and to this very day LANCE INJECTS TESTOSTERONE - he is given a TUE but no-one else is allowed to do that, it's a massive advantage - super consistently high levels of testosterone, never runs low like a natural athlete, no changes in hormone cycles, doesn't matter what he eats or doesn't eat, he's always got that testosterone level at peak levels
How could you possibly know this? Seriously, I dislike the guy as much as anyone, but stop making $hit up. One testicle still produces enough testosterone. -
How did Maxine Waters afford a 43 million dollar mansion one of the richest neighborhoods?
Maybe she is just like Lance, see the potential and probable connection, see the relevance.
I hope his wins are reinstated, my gut, legal issues and existing corruption tells me to hope for reinstated wins (not that I even care).
Like I didn't care about baseball gambling or baseball steroids or Tom Brady's crushed phone. Corruption is corruption
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/07/06/tucker-how-did-maxine-waters-afford-43m-mansion -
The Hypocrisy wrote:
A lot of people feel emotionally about this and so they'll be glad to hear he has to face the heat. It's true he was a megalomaniac and had a serious mean streak, but the fact guys are getting away with little more than a slap on the wrist while they bring his entire life down is absurd. He's going to end up getting his wins reinstated eventually. -
Root. wrote:
Lemond won clean and was almost ruined by Lance.
If you look at Lemond's results, as a junior, he was triple world champion. An athlete doesn't show up to his first grand tour as an assistant and get third.
Every Lance thread seems to include some clown trying to cast doubt about Lemond where there is none.
Root. wrote:
Lance did more to damage cycling than anyone in the history of the sport, regardless of how much others were also doping.
Naah... He was the guy caught holding the bag. The ones to blame got off and remain largely unknown, Verbruggen and Wiesel. Thom still runs the American federation. -
some older guy wrote:
And the whole Tygart approach of aggressively prosecuting high-profile athletes has proved an utter failure,
Really? The final outcome was everyone knows, for sure, doping is rampant in IOC sports. Federations responded by making anti-doping even more secretive.
some older guy wrote:as could be seen when the entire Russian federation thumbed its nose at him .
Really? I missed the part where Travis works for RUSADA. Travis worked for USADA at the time.
some older guy wrote:and was able to get most of its athletes into the Rio Olympics.
Huh? The IAAF was the only one with any authority to ban anyone. They announced a "ban" then let the Russians compete anyway. -
Root. wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
St. Lemond wrote:
Also, Saint--cough, cough--Lemond. The only "clean" rider Le Tour's has ever had.
Please, tell us how this worked. Be specific.
We all know Lemond did nothing before showing up to get on the podium in his first TdF as an assistant. Nothing at all.
Lemond won clean and was almost ruined by Lance..
How do you know? Just like Lance, Lemond never tested positive. Lemond had sudden super performance that people like you refuse to question. Made up nearly one minute in a 25k sprint on the world best rider. Aerobars ... LOL ... like unicorns. -
Trump_wins wrote:
How did Maxine Waters afford a 43 million dollar mansion one of the richest neighborhoods?
Maybe she is just like Lance, see the potential and probable connection, see the relevance.
How does Trump gets hundreds of millions in loans backed by Russians with mob ties, when all other banks refuse to loan him anything because he is very high risk? -
Root. wrote:
Lemond won clean
Yes. He was one of the good guys of the gloriously clean past, like Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, Pantani and Ullrich.
This is fun. I should add the cleaner as clean track stars of the 80s and 90s to this list, like Coe, KratochvÃlová, Junxia and Komen etc.
Too bad cycling had a few bad apples starting in the late 90s. Well at least track is still clean. -
didn't make it up, wouldn't even know to, it was documented in 2006 I believe, he didn't just have one testicle completely removed, the other was partially reduced too - no way he competed at top elite level without testosterone
can't find it now but this is useful
https://www.si.com/vault/2012/10/22/106246058/a-massive-fraud-now-more-fully-exposed
In fact, long before Armstrong became a global brand, his testosterone levels had tested abnormally high. As SI reported last year, a June 4, 1999, letter from UCLA's Olympic Analytical Laboratory to USA Cycling documents eight of Armstrong's testosterone tests from 1991 to '98, with a gap in '97 when he was still recovering from cancer. At that time a ratio of testosterone to the hormone epitestosterone (the "T/E ratio") exceeding 6 to 1 constituted evidence of doping; a normal ratio is 1 to 1. In 2005 the threshold was lowered to 4 to 1. Six of the eight test results reported in the UCLA Olympic lab's letter are higher than 4 to 1, and three are higher than 6 to 1. The highest value is 9 to 1, from a sample taken on June 23, 1993, barely two weeks before Armstrong won his first-ever stage in the Tour.
