Wales-Dinan out from Harvard at end of month

Save yourself the trouble of providing facts to this troll. They go over its head and it just regurgitates "witticisms" about people it will never know because it appropriately will never be in the same room with them.

It over. Move on. Stop posting and let Harvard get back to being Harvard.

Jason McCurdy Saretsky wrote:

How do you possibly function in the world with that IQ?

What's this in reply to again? Me trying to figure out why specifically he was fired?

Is there a reason it could be unclear? Perhaps because some people are saying it was because the coach was abusive and that the touching wasn't even on the radar, while others are claiming it's because he's trying to sleep with the women's team?

Is it all of the above? Did this guy run a program where he forced the girls into eating disorders then slept with them? Sounds like a baaad duder, good thing he's out of there.

While I'm not denying your assessment of my IQ, I'm curious what specifically you're using as a tool to judge it. Also, for your own personal advancement, a friendly reminder that when you stop (if you ever started) making points and start attempting to denigrate your opponents intelligence, it typically means you don't have anything of value to contribute.

But also keep in mind that I'm not even defending this guy. I'm fine dragging him through the mud if he's earned it, I just would like to know what got him fired *specifically*.

Touching?

Sleeping with?

Telling them to lose weight?

Implying they should lose weight?

Given how young people these days tend to operate, one can safely assume they're over-reacting if they're only providing cloudy overviews of any given scenario.

PG is a donor and Harvard loves their legacies. He has significant pull in the athletic dept - all around irresponsible actions from him.

^this.

People with credibility:

1. women on the Harvard team

2. women on past PWD teams

3. boys on the Harvard team

4. boys on past PWD teams

5. dads with daughters

6. everyone else

FWIW, it is NOT HARD to coach without national controversy swirling around you. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Yes. Treating people fairly is always right. Unfortunately he wanted his daughter to get special treatment. He wants it to be run like a club again, not a varsity sport.

Why do all the Patrick backers say it was run like a club before he got there. Saretsky was there for eight years prior to the leader of the lollipop guild arriving. They had a 2:04 girl the year before he arrived, the women finished 3rd at Heps the year before he arrived.

Sorry, he came up short. Move on

diff Prof, diff school wrote:

Another problem with the "Gompers theory": It's laughable to suggest that a single Professor, with a kid on the team, could do that. Even if Gompers was that big a deal (Harvard has plenty of way-more-prominent Profs). I'm a Prof (and former Gompers competitor) at a comparable school. The Athletics Dept runs pretty independently. If a whole commission of academics strongly suggested something happen with the coaches.... maybe it could possibly have some influence. But a single one with personal connection? No way. I'm pretty sure the decision-makers at Harvard are aware that a personal connection could bias one person's opinion.

There are 1000s of other professors at Harvard. Why oh why do you have the ONE with a daughter on the team handle an "investigation."

I don't care if there was good separation and he acted impartially (impossible to prove), it's just a bad, bad look for a school trying to solve a problem.

You keep leaving out the fact he wants all of his runners to be actively pursuing a professional running career at the expense of their academics. He tells this to recruits unabashedly. He wants 100% dedication towards running and as little effort put forth towards classes as possible. I must give him credit for being upfront about this.

If you can't see why Harvard is possibly the worst fit for PWD of all universities in the entire known galaxy then you're unlikely to ever understand the situation.

Left nut, who do you think you are, Sherlock Holmes? You keep asking for specifics. Maybe certain specifics can't / shouldn't be written here. Are you looking for dates and times and exact phrases? You are an idiot to think Harvard fired him based on generalities (and even "dumber" if you think it was because of one athlete like some suggest). How about you just go with, "If PWD was fired after much investigation and input from advisers, Title IX, and fellow coaches, he must have done something wrong!"

Rootin Tootin wrote:

Yes. Treating people fairly is always right. Unfortunately he wanted his daughter to get special treatment. He wants it to be run like a club again, not a varsity sport.

Actually he wanted his daughter to NOT get the special treatment.

Patrick has been removed from the track and XC website, he is GONE!

Here is why he was fired. He pissed off too many athletes. Those athletes organized and got him fired. Most around the program thought he had fine intentions but his message wasn't even close to being the right message for the bulk of the group he inherited. He didn't adapt to the talent that was in front of him. That has happened to many different coaches in many different sports.

Everyone around the program thought he was going to get fired a year ago. The head coach went to bat for him because PWD was a recruiting juggernaut and was bought into his intentions. He also had several unreal performances with Paige & Courtney.

The workout wednesday touching video had zero to do with this outcome. Harvard's athletic department is in the process of assessing all teams due to some internal unrest. It is a bad time to be a coach who is rocking the boat.

Ultimately Patrick's undoing was was his inability to adapt. He pissed too many people off. It has been said before. Patrick needs to train post collegiate athletes. Athletes who have a singular focus. He thought he could do that at Harvard. Ultimately that was a serious miscalculation.

that is true - he didn't think anyone should be required to practice over j-term.

Not so sure he can coach at a high level, look at Paige post collegiately, a bust. Same with Giordano, not close to what she ran at Dartmouth. Look at what happened to Smith after one big performance, done.

He is not a good coach, you get short term results. Ironic isn't it?

He should have b@nged his athletes at least then there would be clear - if wrong and ignorant - rationale. I believe the poster above, there's been a mega culture-clash here, but then why did they hire this dude in the first place not so very long ago? Perhaps he should go to Eldoret. The female athletes there are tough not like whiny mzungu girls and they won't be whiners and won't worry about his supposed touching if he can get real results.

Everyone! No folks, it wasn't a culture clash. He should not be coaching women period. How many programs does this have to happen to before people smarten up. Not sure he even wants to coach men. A few people have given him so much credit for his recruiting ability. Well maybe just maybe his inappropriateness started in the recruiting process. That is where the grooming started folks. That is where he found his followers. Some eventually smartened up and the others, the very few others, they keep posting the positive stuff about PWD on this thread, or it's PWD himself. There are very very few people who are unhappy he's no longer at Harvard, or Long Beach, or Williams, or Duke. Get it?-Many of you can guess and surmise, but that is the truth.

GigaBadger wrote:

He should have b@nged his athletes at least then there would be clear - if wrong and ignorant - rationale. I believe the poster above, there's been a mega culture-clash here, but then why did they hire this dude in the first place not so very long ago? Perhaps he should go to Eldoret. The female athletes there are tough not like whiny mzungu girls and they won't be whiners and won't worry about his supposed touching if he can get real results.

I have the same question - why did Harvard bring in a coach with a philosophy so different from the Harvard ethos? If that PG fellow is so influential and so knowledgeable about the sport why did he sit back and allow that hire? Now PG had to get involved in removing the coach and Harvard looks foolish for letting the coach slip past their filters or there were no filters. Seems the head coach must have championed the hiring. Some of the athletes have complained that the head coach is also a bad apple.

Admittedly, "excellence" always sounds great until it's actually implemented...then it means many different things to different people. The big thing I'd be curious about is whether Jason actually bothered to contact his past employers if he had such a shady history...that's the bigger black eye. I think it's about time for one of these women to dig up correspondence with PWD in the recruiting process for posting...