DeezGuts wrote:
You can pretty much get all this information for free if you scroll through milesplit or runner space videos long enough.
If your time is worth more than 50 cents an hour, it might be easier to pay the $100.
DeezGuts wrote:
You can pretty much get all this information for free if you scroll through milesplit or runner space videos long enough.
If your time is worth more than 50 cents an hour, it might be easier to pay the $100.
I actually bought the program because my daughter did not have a dedicated coach/team. I competed, but never coached, so was wanting to get some good incite into successful teams. I thought the information and advice was exceptional. I learned a lot to build off of the experience/knowledge that I already had. Too bad there's not more knowledgeable coaches willing to take their time to help young runners. The site is exceptional
good coaching wrote:
I actually bought the program because my daughter did not have a dedicated coach/team. I competed, but never coached, so was wanting to get some good incite into successful teams. I thought the information and advice was exceptional. I learned a lot to build off of the experience/knowledge that I already had. Too bad there's not more knowledgeable coaches willing to take their time to help young runners. The site is exceptional
Strange because when I view the free material that is supposed to hook me in, it seems like any old cookie-cutter program that has nothing to do with the kids I'm actually coaching.
Maybe I'm just pissed that I'm not one of the top 22 coaches in the US.
Once you buy the book you find out the first rule of success is to coach at one of the biggest schools in your state.
neutral coaching wrote:
Strange because when I view the free material that is supposed to hook me in, it seems like any old cookie-cutter program that has nothing to do with the kids I'm actually coaching.
Maybe I'm just pissed that I'm not one of the top 22 coaches in the US.
Tell that to the Manlius coach.
DeezGuts wrote:
Once you buy the book you find out the first rule of success is to coach at one of the biggest schools in your state.
neutral coaching wrote:Strange because when I view the free material that is supposed to hook me in, it seems like any old cookie-cutter program that has nothing to do with the kids I'm actually coaching.
Maybe I'm just pissed that I'm not one of the top 22 coaches in the US.
DeezGuts wrote:
Once you buy the book you find out the first rule of success is to coach at one of the biggest schools in your state.
neutral coaching wrote:Strange because when I view the free material that is supposed to hook me in, it seems like any old cookie-cutter program that has nothing to do with the kids I'm actually coaching.
Maybe I'm just pissed that I'm not one of the top 22 coaches in the US.
Or at least the wealthiest.
Here is a key workout and a typical training week for Loudon Valley (VA), courtesy of Joan Hunter.
https://highschoolrunningcoach.com/joan-hunter-key-workout-typical-training-week/
Joan Hunter will be featured as one of the coaches for Season 3. John Sipple of Downer's Grove North (IL), Paul Vandersteen of Neuqua Valley (IL) and Mark Popp of Wayzata (MN) are also part of Season 3. Full list of coaches will be released on Tuesday.
Fun Fact: 2017 Boys NXN - 1st, 3rd, 4th and 6th teams are represented on High School Running Coach.
Two quick updates.
First, Joan Hunter has shared the first four weeks of training for the LV boys team from this summer. She also shared some quick insights on how she uses CV pace and how that pace is different for a fast runner vs. a slower runner. Coach Hunter shared every day of training from June 19th through the state meet for the 2018 boys team on HSRC for Season 3 members. Her interview will be posted next week.
You can download the 4-week training document here:
https://highschoolrunningcoach.com/joan-hunter-first-four-weeks-2018-boys-xc/
Second, I've started a podcast focused on high school coaches - the Coaching Runners podcast. Three coaches that are featured on HSRC - John O'Malley, Jeff Boele and Dr. Jeff Messer - are episodes two through four on the podcast. All three coaches talk about the importance of training speed in addition to improving athlete's aerobic engines, yet they go about this differently. The goal of the podcast is to provide coaches who are having success with information and insights that will help them elevate their program. I really appreciate these three coaches taking time out of their lives to do the podcast.
The podcast is on iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, Overcast and Stitcher. I highly recommend Overcast as a podcast app as the smart speed option is great.
MIMTW wrote:
DeezGuts wrote:
Once you buy the book you find out the first rule of success is to coach at one of the biggest schools in your state.
Or at least the wealthiest.
Agree on both counts, you also have to be willing to over train HS kids so that you can make the list.
Having conducted the interviews with coaches, and read the training to prepare for the interviews, I respectfully disagree that you have to overtrain athletes to be featured on HSRC.
To illustrate the point relative to the podcast guests, please guess Dylan Jacobs volume his senior year and Dani Jones's volume her senior year. John O'Malley coached Jacobs and Dr. Messer coached Jones; Jacobs won Footlocker, Jones was 3rd at NXN and one of the best 1,600m runners in the country her senior year. I am confident Dylan will be a very good collegiate athlete. Dani's obviously a fantastic collegiate athlete.
Timo Mostert, coach of the American Fork boys, who have the national record in the 4x1,600m - 16:40 - has his guys run six days a week. They made NXN again this year. They're really good. Assuming a HS program runs 48 weeks a year, and runs 13 days every 14 days, that's 312 days of running. If American Fork runs 48 weeks a year then they run 288 days, so about 7% less than that program....and many programs would only take a day off every three weeks, or not at all.
The consistent themes in these programs is that they create a culture where kids want to run, have fun and work hard. And these programs get a significant number of kids out - that's a valid argument - needing a critical mass of athletes to make the group featured. Not many schools with an enrollment of 500 or 600 making NXN. But Jeff Boele and Jason Retz are from small schools and are featured because they do a tremendous job. I'm somewhat ignorant regarding the argument of the need to be in a wealthy area.
But at the end of the day, you either believe the following or you do not. "Champions are everywhere." - Arthur Lydiard.
Good point Jay, I do respect Timo and his program, does it right in my book (and yours). There are other programs that do it well, I should not have generalized. Unfortunately there are programs that just lay it on hard, too hard.
Sure. There are programs that run a ton.
One thing that would be interesting is to be able to poll kids who got to run at NXN and then had a mediocre college experience - both in terms of performance and the culture of the program - and ask, "Are you glad you got close to your potential/genetic ceiling in HS?" I think some would say yes. My point is that running faster in college, or running in college at all, isn't every athlete's goal. And when you combine that question with the idea that they got to run at _____ college because they were in a HS program that pushed hard, I don't think this issue is as clear as "______ school runs the crap out of kids and they never develop in college."
Volume for Dylan Jacobs and Dani Jones: In both the case of Jacobs and Jones, their HS coaches don't focus on measuring volume, but rather overall stress. So Coach O'Malley and Coach Messer to quantify all of the elements of training (and hearing the them talk about this in the interviews was a lot of fun).
Jacobs was comfortable running 70, but not more. Jones ran 50, maybe 55 a couple of time, but not more. Key point: both coaches have practices that are 2 hours 30 minutes a couple times a week. I think this should be of interest: if these two athletes are averaging 10 miles a day and 7 miles a day, what are they doing as part of those long sessions? Both coaches discuss what a long session looks like in their interviews.
Is it me or does this entire thread read like an infomercial?
When I was at NXN this year, I was talking to some California coaches, and they said the rumor around their state was that our program averaged about 80 miles/ week. In reality, we average about 60/week with 2 weeks off after NXN and another 2 weeks off after State Track. In his 4 years at AFHS, I think Casey Clinger's max week was 72 miles, and that was early August his senior year. We manage to get 60/week by running doubles, but the morning run (or evening run during the Summer) is only a 30 minute recovery run at conversational pace (8:00/mi.). Yes, we are a large school (2400 in 3 grades), but we've only averaged about 30 boys per year over the last 12 years with a high of 40 (2018), and a low of 16 (2006). As I am the only boys distance coach (our girls program is separate) I wouldn't know how to handle large teams like Great Oak, Carmel, or Wayzata.
I contributed to HSRC, not because of any monetary consideration, but because I always respected the coaches who would share their ideas with me that helped shape me as a coach, and wanted to "Pay it Forward" in my profession. That's also why I am willing to teach at coaches clinics. I'm excited to share some of the things we've done to improve our distance program next week at the Boulder Running Clinic . I am especially excited to learn from Coach Vandersteen, Coach Frank, and Coach Gary, and see what I can learn to get us to the next level of excellence in our program.
Infomercial? No. Endorsement? Absolutely.
Can anyone post specific examples of “general strength” exercises/ancillary work and when it is done? Much appreciated.
Inquiring highschooler wrote:
Can anyone post specific examples of “general strength” exercises/ancillary work and when it is done? Much appreciated.
Pull-ups. Do them every day if you like.