Reed Brown breaks 4!

Actually Maton ran a 3:38.xx something last year after the college season trying to quality for the trials (which he did). Though I see him being a better 5k runner. Dressel has also been running well in college. They have all been doing nicely though I think Fisher has performed the best so far.

Liquori was likely shaving daily by age 15. Ryun by 17.

quantity not quality wrote:

Three of the five who have gone sub-4 in the last five years (Maton, Slagowski, Hunter) have been "old". All three should have been college freshman by normal standards. And there is, at this point, no evidence that any of these three individuals will have a significant career as a miler.

Fisher was normal age and looks to be pretty good runner, but he won't be a miler either.

Ryun and Liquori were seventeen when they went sub-4. I'm not seeing anybody who reminds me of them. Wish Reed Brown the best but I'm not getting excited about a "miler" with a 1:53.41 800m PB.

Uber-milers my ass.

i think fishers run around 354 for the mile

shout out bro wrote:

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

Could really have 5 this year. 4:00 guys Teare, Worley, and Principe all next week at Brooks PR. Clinger has an outside shot too this weekend at Adidas Dream Mile.

Shout out to my Utah peeps!

Btw Clinger has no shot at breaking 4.

Wow, not even the fastest guy from his own HS.

4:04 is exactly the pace of his 4:02 1600m. I guess he's consistent, at least.

guesser 1 wrote:

Since no one is paying attention to the other threat on Festival of miles

Why are you transgenders so petty?

Honestly, does anyone even care about a sub 4:00 anymore? Kenny doesn't.

quantity not quality wrote:

Three of the five who have gone sub-4 in the last five years (Maton, Slagowski, Hunter) have been "old". All three should have been college freshman by normal standards. And there is, at this point, no evidence that any of these three individuals will have a significant career as a miler.

Fisher was normal age and looks to be pretty good runner, but he won't be a miler either.

Ryun and Liquori were seventeen when they went sub-4. I'm not seeing anybody who reminds me of them. Wish Reed Brown the best but I'm not getting excited about a "miler" with a 1:53.41 800m PB.

Uber-milers my ass.

Not much to add,

If we looked up the dictionary definition of someone talking out his a$$ . . .

the fact that 5 out of 10 sub-4 min HS milers have happened in the last 2 years is a product of

1. l-carnitine

2. EPO

use at the HS level. Period.

weitanuer wrote:

the fact that 5 out of 10 sub-4 min HS milers have happened in the last 2 years is a product of

1. l-carnitine

2. EPO

use at the HS level. Period.

Don't forget Vitamin D.

renewed marathoner wrote:

i think fishers run around 354 for the mile

No, no he hasn't. Sean McGorty has run 3:53, also at Stanford. Sean Mcgorty is not Grant Fisher. He ran 4:04 in high school, and did not win Footlocker. Fisher has only broken 4 once, and has never run faster than 3:42 for the 1500. Which is a really funny statistic, considering Fisher has certainly improved by leaps and bounds since he broke 4 the once.

weitanuer wrote:

the fact that 5 out of 10 sub-4 min HS milers have happened in the last 2 years is a product of

1. l-carnitine

2. EPO

use at the HS level. Period.

L-Carnitine is not a performance enhancing drug. It's literally a legal supplement. You could get it at your local convenience store. It's not banned by any high school state association, the NCAA, USADA, or WADA.

EPO is really hard to get for a high schooler and unless taken with a doctor's help. You die if you do too much of it. Unless a spate of sub-9 high school boys died randomly of heart attacks (and they haven't), we can safely assume that they aren't using EPO.

Perhaps they're training harder and smarter? What a crazy thought.

they are obtaining l-carnitine IV - it is very easy.

equally easy is EPO, you can get from pharmacies with doctor's rx. obtaining EPO is a common practice in Texas for xcountry athletes, they obtain it before counties, states.

you can also get both online.

grant fisher only broke 4 mins once in HS and hasnt since bc of drug testing.

most of these runners dont achieve better than their HS times bc they are on PEDs

Bobby Sands wrote:

Pretty amazing that a sub 4 high school miler is not a state champion in the event, having lost to a kid who was doubling back in the 1600. High school distance running is at a great level right now.

At a time when title 9 has decimated men's college track and field opportunity

what's all this L-carnitine hype? Is it banned or something? You can buy l-carnitine supps online from any health/fitness vendor

l-carnitine question wrote:

what's all this L-carnitine hype? Is it banned or something? You can buy l-carnitine supps online from any health/fitness vendor

I'm starting my 50 mL infusions soon. Does that make me grey zone?

weitanuer wrote:

they are obtaining l-carnitine IV - it is very easy.

equally easy is EPO, you can get from pharmacies with doctor's rx. obtaining EPO is a common practice in Texas for xcountry athletes, they obtain it before counties, states.

you can also get both online.

grant fisher only broke 4 mins once in HS and hasnt since bc of drug testing.

most of these runners dont achieve better than their HS times bc they are on PEDs

So you would only claim to know this is "common practice" if you were somehow "in the know" in Texas distance running. Which you clearly are not considering there is no "counties" in Texas. It goes district, area, regionals, state.

You tried!

fsdfsdfsdsf wrote:

l-carnitine question wrote:

what's all this L-carnitine hype? Is it banned or something? You can buy l-carnitine supps online from any health/fitness vendor

I'm starting my 50 mL infusions soon. Does that make me grey zone?

I don't take l-carnitine, but I do take Vitamin D AND Vitamin E...sometimes at the same time. Does that make me a super-doping bad-a$$?

asdjnf;alskdnlol wrote:

fsdfsdfsdsf wrote:

I'm starting my 50 mL infusions soon. Does that make me grey zone?

I don't take l-carnitine, but I do take Vitamin D AND Vitamin E...sometimes at the same time. Does that make me a super-doping bad-a$$?

That depends. Does your coach go by A. Salazar?

Parody of itself wrote:

Perhaps they're training harder and smarter? What a crazy thought.

You are half right... They are training harder. This is why they will not accomplish anything beyond high school.

Running 3:53 in high school is indicative of superior talent and a great future. Running 3:59 is just training balls to wall.