Kamworor talks smack to Farah: "If the conditions allow, in the shape that I am in, I will win the race."

please brojos? wrote:

Brojos - can you please ban rjm33? He reposts that same nonsense all over the place.

He started out claiming to be a doctor

Now he just posts garbage using various handles

Mo Ahmed will surprise a lot of people! I think he will make a hard surge in the last lap and challenge for the win.

I think Gebrhiwet will spank Farah though!

I hope they do! Would be a great race to watch, and you're right - this would be a perfect time to try it. So many loaded 5ks have turned into the Kenyans handing it to Mo Farah by just staring at him and jogging for the first 10 laps. Kamworor has shown surprising speed at the end of a race before, but at the end of the day the half marathoner is just not going to out-sprint a 3:28 1500m guy. I hope Kamworor puts his money where his mouth is and the Kenyans work together to make a grueling pace from the gun.

I'm I'll be laughed at for asking this - but how do you do that thing in a reply where it shows the comment you're replying to?

IF... IF... IF... IF... IF...

"Yawn." - Matthew Centrowitz, Jr.

Why do you hype this up as if Kamworor is talking smack? He's Kenyan. Kenyans are quite matter-of-fact about their condition and the race prospects. He's simply stating a goal/expectation.

Just like the infamous interview with Moses Kiptanui at Zurich in 1995, when he and the interviewer watched Haile's 12:44 WR. Kiptanu, "He is in, ahh, good shepe..." [translation, yes, nice WR but I think I can beat him]

The only contemporary Kenyan athlete I've ever heard talk anything resembling what Americans term smack is Silas Kiplagat. I suppose Ben Jipcho occasionally did the same thing, but that was 40 years ago.

NativeSon, please tell the ignorant mzungu. They cannot help it, their minds are less well-developed. They are not as smart as either women or Kenyans and they don't know these things unless we help them out.

The field is too big. 20 runners max in a track 5k like this, please.

Kamworor will do well, but what a funny statement he makes. "If the conditions allow", that does not mean anything. If conditions allow, Trump's pants could burst into flames!

Mo's 1500 speed better than Kam's just now, I'd bet.

I don't know who wins this race. Not Mo.

I just love speculations like this. :) If the Kenyans work together at fast pace they can probably make it right for Kamworor and make it difficult for Mo to use his patented last flying lap. Kamworor is obviously in topshape and will be a difficult task for Mo this time I think......but......if it will be a slow tactical race we will most truly see Mo outsprint them again. I hope for Kamworor this time. It was close in october last year that I had got the chance to advice him to a world record attempt at 15 km road.....but......unfortunately he got pneumonia. He did a fantastic comeback after that in just a couple of month and won the world XC Champs.

There is a quote button beside the box where you type your reply.

Hurdler Guy wrote:

how do you do that thing in a reply where it shows the comment you're replying to?

Click reply > then click the quote button.

Autologous Madness wrote:

I think Gebrhiwet will spank Farah though!

I predict Farah will win, but I really hope you're right. It's probably going to take a 12:48 to 12:50 guy to beat Farah in a 5000. But Gebrhiwet is a 12:47 guy, so he's got a great shot. Has to do it from the gun, though.

NijelAMOS400 wrote:

Why do you hype this up as if Kamworor is talking smack? He's Kenyan. Kenyans are quite matter-of-fact about their condition and the race prospects. He's simply stating a goal/expectation.

Just like the infamous interview with Moses Kiptanui at Zurich in 1995, when he and the interviewer watched Haile's 12:44 WR. Kiptanu, "He is in, ahh, good shepe..." [translation, yes, nice WR but I think I can beat him]

The only contemporary Kenyan athlete I've ever heard talk anything resembling what Americans term smack is Silas Kiplagat. I suppose Ben Jipcho occasionally did the same thing, but that was 40 years ago.

NativeSon, please tell the ignorant mzungu. They cannot help it, their minds are less well-developed. They are not as smart as either women or Kenyans and they don't know these things unless we help them out.

I read that post thinking, "Wow, this guy's a true Kenyan patriot & super-fan," ...until I saw that handle: NijelAMOS400, and recalled that Amos is Botswanan....

NijelAMOS400 wrote:The only contemporary Kenyan athlete I've ever heard talk anything resembling what Americans term smack is Silas Kiplagat

Silas can talk all the sh!t he wants !!!

in his 3'27.64 he got baulked on 1st lap dropping back & probably costing 3 or 4 tenths from distance lost/loss of momentum needed to recapture previous position

that already gets him down to 3'27-low

he runs ~ 2m extra wide on bends in race worth ~ 0.25s

that gets him down to 3'27-flat

also crap drafting in race, way behind at 800 & losses thru wide running

this easily worth 0.5s for race -> 3'26.5

however, even more remarkable is the execrable pace to 800 where vid analysis indicates he went thru in utterly crap ~ 12m behind pacer for ~ 1'52.5 !!!

his last 700 was nominally ( ignoring drafting/extra on bends ) ~ 95.1 !!!

this may not seem much to you, but do the math

a last 700 in 95.1 -> 54.3 pace for last 700 !!! or more impressively stated as ~ 3'23.8 pace !!!

he ran intrinsic 3'26.5 above from baulk/wide-running/lack of drafting

his pace was so uneven that he ran last 700 of race at 3'23-high pace

that indicates easily 1++s off that 3'26.5

i'd rate Silas very possibly fastest ever synthetic era 1500 guy at probably that day in smooth fast drafting to bell tight in lane-1

~ 3'25-low

How's Aden doing? Spaniards succumbed to pressure to let him walk. Are his charges still on the protocols he was "advising"? How about Ratnova, Hermens, and the Rosas? How're their 'natural athletes' looking?

Kamwo unfortunately runs like a puussy in international track races

last year early season was undoubtedly his peak with that 59-flat after tripping at the start, charging off to catch leaders within ~ 1/2 - 3/4 mile, all done in worst conditions ever seen in a major race in living memory !!!

i have no doubt that day, in a smooth, paced to 5k only as requisite for 10k, on temperate 0 wind day in zurich, he wouda run

~ 26-flat

he suffered bad illness/injury by trials & as consequence ran rubbish in rio

it was posted here on BB that his coach reckoned he was in

~ 3'31

( i coudn't find it, maybe someone can )

shape last year or before that, which i 100% agree

his line of fit in cardiff i reckon was ~

52.0 / 1'48.5

->

3'31.09

4'46.12

7'19.05 !!!

12'32.48 !!!

26'01.22 !!!

if he had his alleged 3'31 speed in cardiff he couda clipped the 3k WR & utterly crushed the 5 & 10k wrs

he ran the 5k last year in eugene & ran like a total puussy, just nudging slow pace at 3k to the bell & hammered as expected by that runt ethiopian with whippy legs

all i can assume was that he ran eugene as non-serious event, not breaking training & just running it as a tempo run for rio 10k

that was disrespectful & he got beat as he deserved off no serious push at 3k

i can't believe after injury/pneumonia since then he is in anywhere close to that shape despite retaining x-country gold

bottom line :

look at above estimates for a good few minutes

think, ruminate, cognitate & then do so again over those estimates

you shoud spend a good 5 or 10 minutes looking at those numbers & keep thinking "how the fuuck of that rubbish 400 & 800" until it sinks in :

not much basic 400 speed & his 800 is crap as well, but the magnitude of the 400/800 ratio meant his ability progressively increased from 2k to utterly incredible for 3k/5k/10k !!!

scoff as is your warrant...

your brain should be studied, we have to make sure we are not producing other humans that have the same cognitive challenges you have.

doot doot wrote:

IF... IF... IF... IF... IF...

"Yawn." - Matthew Centrowitz, Jr.

The Matthew Centrowitz, Jr. that just scratched? Huh... Weird...

I hope Kamworor wins, takes it out really hard from the gun.

interesting articlehttp://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/05/2017-pre-classic-preview-centro-vs-kiprop-bowerman-mile-ages-mo-farah-vs-28-worlds-best-men-5k-including-geoffrey-kamworor-guaranteed-victory/

has been pointed out many times here since at least peking with virtually zilch wind in dragon's lair / bear's cave / tiger's corner or whatever

this been also pointed out for many years, great example being Henry running a ~ 13'18.2 back in '78 in a downpour with puddles on 1st lane, where rod dixon said Henry spent most of race running wide in lane 3 !!!

work out how much extra is run in lane 3 for whole race for 13'18.2...

then knock off what for running in a downpour...

more about Kamwo :

that is astonishing !!!, especially with a 54+ opener

i reckon 7,000+' knocks off 8 seconds at worst compared to sea-level for ~ 3'40 clockings

that means Kamwo is worth 3'32 off that & with 54+ opener & likely little drafting, probably about ~ 3'31

that is what his coach said his speed was last year/'15

Kamwo's basic 400 speed has improved, but unlikely the legendary cardiff endurance

perhaps he has drifted out to ~ 26'30 ability based on uganda win

nearest lines of fit for 3'31 / 26'30 ( nearest 0.25s for 400 & 800 ) are :

51.50 / 1'48.25

->

3'31.90

4'47.98

7'23.48 !

12'43.31 !

26'32.25 !

or

51.25 / 1'47.75

->

3'30.96

4'46.73

7'21.60 !!

12'40.19 !!

26'26.00 !!

Kamwo is in shape to run mo into the dirt

if flat-out, 0 wind & smooth pacing to 3k, he coud go

~ 12'40 - 12'43

but he was in 12'32 shape last year & failed to deliver in eugene, so i have no faith in him unless Kenyans hammer it from gun...