Salazar Responds to USADA

Standard "I didn't do anything wrong" answer. Hope he reminds himself that he " answered USADA's questions under oath" for a future rainy day.

Is it me, or do you sound exactly like a Nike spin guy?

Not those guys wrote:

SalazarResponds! wrote:

There seemed to be some questions over the document Rupp's lawyer gave to USADA. Maybe this is what Salazar is referring to. USADA said it implicated Rupp, obviously Rupp's lawyers don't think so. So one side is wrong about this document. We need to see it.

The document you are referring is a document that states Rupp's dosage as being well within the allowable limit for an IV bag.

However, 4 IV bags were made at the pharmacy the day before.

So, USADA's logic is that because 4 bags were made at the pharmacy, Rupp must have taken all 4 bags.

It's a very weak argument.

Really???

There were 4 x 100 mL L-carnitine IV bags prepared at the pharmacy the day before the The worksheet showed that they were prepared with a concentration of 9.67 grams of L-carnitine/45 mL of saline = 0.2149 grams per mL = 214.9 mg/mL.

An IV infusion of just 1 of the 100 mL bags would be a total dose of 21.49 grams (= 21,490 mg) of L-carnitine. They administered 1 to 4 bags total.

A 100 mL IV of any concentration or dose of L-carnitine without a TUE is an anti-doping rule violation.

A typical IV dose of L-carnitine is 50 mg/kg. = 3,000 mg total dose for a 60 kg. person. It can be given by a slow IV injection over 2 to 3 minutes from a large syringe. The dose of 3,000 mg is only a 15 mL injection of L-carnitine at 200 mg/mL. There is no need for an IV bag and an infusion that lasts over an hour.

However, L-carnitine can be stored for 24 hours with saline in an IV bag and given as a slower IV infusion at a maximum concentration of 8 mg/mL.

The concentration of the L-carnitine IV infusion administered by Dr. Brown was 214.9 mg/mL…which is 26.9X the maximum concentration of 8 mg/mL.

Did Alberto and Dr. Brown inform the 5 NOP athletes that the concentration was 26.9X greater than the maximum concentration for an L-carnitine IV infusion?

Did they inform the 5 NOP athletes of any possible risks or side effects of the L-carnitine infusions?

Did they inform the 5 NOP athletes that the L-carnitine infusions were over the 50 mL limit... without a TUE…and were ADRVs?

It is recommended that a plasma carnitine concentration be obtained prior to beginning this parenteral therapy. Weekly and monthly monitoring is recommended as well. This monitoring should include blood chemistries, vital signs, plasma carnitine concentrations (the plasma free carnitine concentration should be between 35 and 60 μmol/L) and overall clinical condition.

(Some of the NOP athletes had extremely high plasma carnitine concentrations after the IV L-carnitine infusions administered by Dr. Brown for COACH Alberto Salazar.)

Levocarnitine Injection, USP is compatible and stable when mixed in parenteral solutions of Sodium Chloride 0.9% or Lactated Ringer's in concentrations ranging from 250 mg/500 mL (0.5 mg/mL) to 4200 mg/500 mL (8.0 mg/mL) and stored at room temperature (25°C) for up to 24 hours in PVC plastic bags.

In conclusion:

1) COACH Alberto Salazar is not a doctor and needs to be STOPPED.

Don't you folks know nothing about bureaucramancy?

"Highly likely" = We can't prove jack shit!

And then they leak the beta draft, deliberately, that is designed to make it look like they almost found something they could prove. Almost. And that's to ensure money keeps coming their way in the future, for new investigations, for similar gigs, etc.

They can't put "We spent six months and found jack shit" on their CVs if they wanna be paid for similar jobs in the future.

Tough to argue with what you're saying. If they were objective, they'd reach the same conclusion about Paula and then some.

rjm33, very comprehensive and restrained rebuttal!

And you know him personally and can list all of his lies, right? Who's stupid now?

Derrrin wrote:

Lawyers wrote:

I don't think it matters who wrote it if it's true. Hopefully we get another open letter to put this to bed. I tend to agree with the OP, he wouldn't say this if he couldn't prove it.

You must really be stupid. Alberto is not unaccustomed to lying.

Dory's missing fin wrote:

And you know him personally and can list all of his lies, right? Who's stupid now?

Derrrin wrote:

You must really be stupid. Alberto is not unaccustomed to lying.

You?

SalazarResponds! wrote:]

There seemed to be some questions over the document Rupp's lawyer gave to USADA. Maybe this is what Salazar is referring to. USADA said it implicated Rupp, obviously Rupp's lawyers don't think so. So one side is wrong about this document. We need to see it.

It would be a spectacular coincidence if this, too, was a lab typo. First they type "testosterone" when it was really "testoboost" (and yet the chart shows that it has the effect of testosterone, not testoboost). Now they type 4x100 ml when it was really 45ml (3 tablespoons) -- and yet it has the effect of 400 ml of highly concentrated L-cartinine!

We will see if evidences will tell if Salazar is guilty or not. Personally I think all coaches that try to use questionable chemicals to force their athletes results are out on "deep water". It`s the runners talent and the training-system that should give the good results,not who have the best knowings of chemicals and connections with questionable doctors. When sometimes my runners ask me about what best supplemants to take I just answer:" Keep it naturel!.....eat basic food and lots of vegetables and fruits.......drink plain water and natural fruit-juices"...Thats it! If you have the necessary talent you will reach your goals the natural way!

That's all you got? One word responses said a lot about a person. Regardless, you can rest assured of one thing for the rest of your entire life, no one will ever accuse you of being intelligent.

Nemo's acquired gills wrote:

Dory's missing fin wrote:

And you know him personally and can list all of his lies, right? Who's stupid now?

You?

I'm intrigued by this and open minded about the outcome.

But I do wish we'd get an "official" report, rather than a draft leaked one. Draft reports can end up very different from official ones (in this case that could be either way - harder on AlSal or softer on him / NOP), but until they are a formal report there is room for too much conjecture.

USADA did a good job with Armstrong so I have faith in them to get to the right outcome, whatever that might be.

Dory's missing fin wrote:

And you know him personally and can list all of his lies, right? Who's stupid now?

Derrrin wrote:

You must really be stupid. Alberto is not unaccustomed to lying.

I know Alberto personally and he has lied to me many times. He has even admitted to lying to me. What's your point?

I went to bed early last night so just seeing this.

You've got very specific claims that USADA may have played around with the truth and then I read Alberto's statement and didn't see those things. When I read your post before reading his statement I thought his statement was going to be much stronger against USADA.

The strongest thing Alberto says is that USADA should have collected evidence that he believes clears him before issuing the report.

"Likewise, USADA's conjecture regarding the L-carnitine injections is simply wrong. Evidence has been submitted to USADA disproving their unsupported assumptions --evidence USADA should have collected before issuing its incorrect suppositions to the TMB as fact."

I disagree with the poster on this in principal. When I was competing and injured I flew to see Paula Radcliffe's physio in Ireland. I also went and saw a physio/chiropractor in Toronto area who had me go see Dr. Galea also in Toronto, who was regarded as one of the best at what he does, and it turn out he was busted for transporting HGH across the border. SEverything I saw with Dr. Galea was above board. He just examined me and gave me no prescriptions.

So a doctor clearly can have an above board practice and a shady practice.

However, I do agree if you're only flying across the country solely to get a shot/drip that a doctor in your own hometown can give you, then it is more suspect.

Wanna talk? wrote:

Dory's missing fin wrote:

And you know him personally and can list all of his lies, right? Who's stupid now?

I know Alberto personally and he has lied to me many times. He has even admitted to lying to me. What's your point?

Yeah, everyone here knows Alberto, and everyone here has had the opportunity to run for NOP and turned it down

The strongest thing Alberto says is that USADA should have collected evidence that he believes clears him before issuing the report.

USADA makes it clear that Salazar did not cooperate with the investigation, so this seems disingenuous. Furthermore, they haven't issued a report yet.

The Nike Androgen Project wrote:

The strongest thing Alberto says is that USADA should have collected evidence that he believes clears him before issuing the report.

USADA makes it clear that Salazar did not cooperate with the investigation, so this seems disingenuous. Furthermore, they haven't issued a report yet.

USADA claims that Salazar did not cooperate with the investigation. There are, of course, different levels of cooperation. Salazar turned over loads of documentation and was interviewed by USADA. So he did cooperate, at least at some level. Apparently when USADA said he didn't cooperate, they mean he did not do everything they wanted exactly the way they wanted.

I think it is a claim that is at least overplayed in the USADA report. They do this several times, such as with their claim that he admitted doping while competing.

I think Salazar would have been better off if he had totally and completely refused to cooperate with USADA in any way at all.

Gotta bee wrote:

Wanna talk? wrote:

I know Alberto personally and he has lied to me many times. He has even admitted to lying to me. What's your point?

Yeah, everyone here knows Alberto, and everyone here has had the opportunity to run for NOP and turned it down

The last 4 digits of Alberto's personal cell phone can be parsed into a very fast woman's 10-mile time. The last 4 digits of my cell phone number can be parsed into a very fast men's 400m time. My number is in his directory. You're right. I've never had the opportunity to run for NOP. If I had, you're right, I would have turned him down. No hard feelings, just bidness.

Gotta bee wrote:

Wanna talk? wrote:

I know Alberto personally and he has lied to me many times. He has even admitted to lying to me. What's your point?

Yeah, everyone here knows Alberto, and everyone here has had the opportunity to run for NOP and turned it down

Track and field is a small community. Those involved in coaching at the higher levels, along with those who train at higher levels, along with those who support such people in various capacities (physios, doctors, meet directors, agents, etc.) all cross each other's paths frequently. In many cases, athletes train at he same facilities. Distance runners often cross paths while out on long road runs and over time get to know each other and will hang out in restaurants, pubs or night clubs. Word gets around. People see and hear things directly.

Alberto has been around a long time. Lots of people have dealt with him. Reading this stuff about megadosing L-carnitine, I can't help but think this is in line with Alberto's excessive, obsessive personality. Not many people know Alberto has a problem metabolizing iron, he is essentially anemic. At one point he was swallowing entire bottles of iron tablets which were coming out the other end as iron goop. His attitude has always been "if 1x is good then 10x is better".