doctorj wrote:
Maybe John Walker from New Zealand. He had a lot of depth too
800 m – 1:44.92 (1974)
1500 m – 3:32.4 (1975)
Mile – 3:49.4 (1975)
5000 m – 13:19.28
Don Caitlin said somewhere Walker's samples were the cleanest.
doctorj wrote:
Maybe John Walker from New Zealand. He had a lot of depth too
800 m – 1:44.92 (1974)
1500 m – 3:32.4 (1975)
Mile – 3:49.4 (1975)
5000 m – 13:19.28
Don Caitlin said somewhere Walker's samples were the cleanest.
Donny Caitlin wrote:
doctorj wrote:
Maybe John Walker from New Zealand. He had a lot of depth too
800 m – 1:44.92 (1974)
1500 m – 3:32.4 (1975)
Mile – 3:49.4 (1975)
5000 m – 13:19.28
Don Caitlin said somewhere Walker's samples were the cleanest.
I posted a link to an old article recently in which Walker expressed his suspicions of the El G era times.
If he had any suspicions regarding Ovetr, Coe, Cram, I'm sure he would have made them known in the last 40 years.
I also don't understand how Walker's samples could have been 'cleaner' than anyone else's of the era. They didn't have the ABP back then. They were testing mainly for roids.
And...haha Doctor J, after all you've said you suspect everyone after John Walker was doping.
trollism wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Used to be suspicious about him (like all), but when you think about it, Willis, Centro, Ingebrigtsen all ran 3:30 and El G was just training so much harder than all of these. Running was his entire life, he had no social media, no other hobbies, just running and chasing the dream of medals and providing his family with a good life.
That coupled with incredible talent could really mean that he was actually clean, even tho most people on these boards don't believe it.
Before he was known, he ran 13:46 in the World Junior champs when he was 18 on limited training, that already shows how much his talent really was. He was also consistently good. Runners who elevate their performance with doping, are good for the time they do it, say 1 year, but after they get caught or when they stop they don't run anywhere nearly as good.
So what you're saying is that the best runner from the full gas EPO era from the biggest cheating country of the full gas EPO era was probably clean. Even with the sketchy coach and the multiple busted training partners?
He doped his full career and he could do so with very limited risk of being exposed. That was just the era he ran in.
+1
There's some real idiocy on display in this thread.
Juiced to the triceps wrote:
3hr-marathoner wrote:
Bayi/Walker. I'm a little suspect of the greats after them. For some reason I think Webb is as likely to be clean as any much faster than those guys.
Webb was the most juiced up guy in American sport. As soon as SARMs, Cardarine, CERA etc were detectable he was a shadow of his former self.
"Most juiced up guy in American sport?" How do you that? If what you say is true then what does that say for the guys that were faster than him? Were they also juiced up? Webb was a teenage phenom - I don't see any evidence of doping.
Coevett wrote:
Donny Caitlin wrote:
Don Caitlin said somewhere Walker's samples were the cleanest.
I posted a link to an old article recently in which Walker expressed his suspicions of the El G era times.
If he had any suspicions regarding Ovetr, Coe, Cram, I'm sure he would have made them known in the last 40 years.
I also don't understand how Walker's samples could have been 'cleaner' than anyone else's of the era. They didn't have the ABP back then. They were testing mainly for roids.
And...haha Doctor J, after all you've said you suspect everyone after John Walker was doping.
Maybe I am changing my mind.
Jay Woods. Former BYU runner who was a pretty good miler. Ran 3:54 I believe. Was in the race where Eamon Coghlan set the indoor world record for the mile. I believe he is now a police officer in San Diego.
Doug Padilla, although he was more of a 3000/5000m guy. He did run a few miles and 1500's. Also a BYU alumni. Lives in Orem, Utah (next door to Provo and BYU) and owns a race timing business after a long career with BYU athletics.